What the hell has happened to the Bf-110's lengendary rate of climb??

[Panzergranate]

It is well documented that the Bf-110 had a phenomenal climb rate when compared to the Bf-109 E, Spitfore II, Hurricane and other single engined fighters during the Battle of Britain.

In other flight sims, in the past, that have included the Bf-110 the most common evade tactic was to point the nose straight up and hit the throttles.

This was the common evade maneuver employed by actual Bf-110 pilots in combat.

Also, in BOP, the acceleration is non-existant and the Bf-110 flies nowehere near the true 293 MPH in level flight with WEP as recorded in actual test flight data.

Maneuvering wise, the Bf-110 handles pretty much as portrayed in literature and in other sims. Power wise it feels like a winged Harley-Davidson.... fat, sluggish and lathargic.

It isn't just the P-51 and Fw-190 that have not true to life characteristics in the game, though players have focused more on these than noticing some of the other mistakes in the game.

Hopefully a patch will appear to fix things.

[mattd27]

Someone needs to do another speed test on the 110, I'd like to see what the max speed is in game, and how it compares to real life.

[Soviet Ace]

Someone needs to do another speed test on the 110, I'd like to see what the max speed is in game, and how it compares to real life.

Imagine the Me-262, but rather a large body and jet engines. It has twin prop engines, and a skinny body. That's what the Bf-110 is like.

[mattd27]

Imagine the Me-262, but rather a large body and jet engines. It has twin prop engines, and a skinny body. That's what the Bf-110 is like.

yes, I've flown it. ;) What I was wondering os what it's actual top speed is in game, and how far off it is compared to the real life flight model.

[FOZ_1983]

I will research the actual speed of the 110C (it is a C model isnt it?) and then will take the plane up and compare speeds etc and see how it handles.

Unless panzerganate knows off the top of his head the speeds it should be doing. If poss (from memory or research mate) do oy know the speeds it did at -

roughly 1000ft
roughly 5000ft
roughly 10000ft
roughly 20000ft

i will take the in game model up and post max speeds at the mentioned heights :)

[Panzergranate]

I managed 232 MPH in level flight in a simulator game this evening with WEP after accelerating (slowly gaining momentum more like) from 290 MPH in 30 seconds.

By comparison, the Blenhiem IV (real top speed 297 MPH) gains speed a lot quicker and it weighs a lot more.

Peformance wise, I'd expect the Bf-110 to at least have the same rate of acceleration as the Japanese Gekko does in "Battlestations Pacific" or the Bf-110 C4 in "Blazing Angels" which is pretty much how a Bf-110 should perform.

I dread to think how a P-38 Lightning would be portrayed in the game, if the way the Bf-110 isanything to go on.

[Panzergranate]

I'm going by what Airfix stated in the Bf-110 C4 model kit.... 293 MPH at sea level.

[FOZ_1983]

Mate you really cant compare a BoP 110 to a BSP geko lol, they are two different planes in two different games.

I will take the 110 up and do some speed tests at different heights. Could take a while, so i'll post the results on here when im done. You will prob be asleep by then so when you come on tomorrow can you tell me if the speeds are accuate enough etc. Cheers

[Panzergranate]

So far I've managed to just burn out the negines, even from dive starts, just trying to push past 260 MPH.

In IL-2 FB the Bf-210, which uses the same DB-605 engines, flies as it should do, according to historical documentation.

The FB Bf-210 optional version with the 50mm. L60 FlaK gun in the belly out performs the BOP Bf-110 C4, which isn't quite what it should do.

[mattmanB182]

And the DB-605 is definatly no slouch of an engine. I did not know it was also on the 110. I was thinking only on the 210 and the later 109's.

[FOZ_1983]

So far I've managed to just burn out the negines, even from dive starts, just trying to push past 260 MPH.

In IL-2 FB the Bf-210, which uses the same DB-605 engines, flies as it should do, according to historical documentation.

The FB Bf-210 optional version with the 50mm. L60 FlaK gun in the belly out performs the BOP Bf-110 C4, which isn't quite what it should do.

THATS IL2:FB!!!! THATS A BF-210!!!!


Ok....

the 110c, as depicted in BIRDS OF PREY on the XBOX 360 clearly performs differently to how it should it real life, we have established that mate. Its really late, i have a bad back, im tired, but i'll do these speed tests, but i need the historical data for the 110c!!! so i can compare, not some completely different plane from a completely different game hahaha!!!

if need be just give me a link and i'll do everything myself, just PLEASE dont give me info on other planes from other games that wont help me in any way shape or form :D lol.

cheers chief, we will no doubt catch up online tomorrow and compare what we've come up with since you enjoy flying this crate :)

Oddly enough i have noticed when flying online with someone (tudorp) doing formation flying, they took the P51 nad i took the hurricane. In a climb the P51 pulled away at first, but after about 30 seconds the hurricane shot past the P51 and got to 30000ft long before it :P

[FOZ_1983]

the DB-605 was on the 110G

This game is the 110C isnt it? so the engine is completely different

[Panzergranate]

It was also fitted to the Japanese "Judy" dive bomber (50 MPH faster than the F2A Buffalo and F4F Wildcat) and the Kawasaki Ki-61 "Tony" fighter.

In BSM the Judy is slower than the F4F and in BSP the fault is corrected to make it faster, as it should be.

I'll have to dig around in some of the books here.

[fuzzychickens]

Given that the flight model was ported from IL2, the number of mistakes makes me think they simply decided they must make a few planes "suck" more.

Seriously, way too many mess-ups for the small number of planes in the game.

[zg26]

I've never heard that the 110 had a legendary rate of climb. I would've thought it would be better off diving as an escape tactic (given that its quite a heavy bird).
Would be fun to employ the real life tactic (employed in Battle of Britain) of circling round and round covering each others tail (if you had enough 110's in a multiplayer game).
I think the biggest disgrace with the 110 in this game is the lack of weapon load-outs (as compared to... hmmm maybe the Il2).
Those cannons don't seem quite as punchy as they should be either.

[FOZ_1983]

to answer zg26 -

NATURALLY!!!

Its a russian gam by russian developers, of course they will big up their own crap planes and make the rest look poor. Its what they do best :)

Russians have always been sneaky and tried cutting corners :P

[Ancient Seraph]

to answer zg26 -

NATURALLY!!!

Its a russian gam by russian developers, of course they will big up their own crap planes and make the rest look poor. Its what they do best :)

Russians have always been sneaky and tried cutting corners :P

You're just pissed because the Hurri isn't what you wanted it to be :P.

[FOZ_1983]

very wrong!

its better than i thought it would be ;) you'll bear witness to that haha. It just doesnt sound right :P

In all seriousness though most of the russian planes do seem good in comparisson to the others. You can't deny it lol

[Ancient Seraph]

very wrong!

its better than i thought it would be ;) you'll bear witness to that haha. It just doesnt sound right :P

In all seriousness though most of the russian planes do seem good in comparisson to the others. You can't deny it lol

Most planes being the La's? In another thread someone quoted a book where the writer seemed to agree with the La's being superb.
The sad truth is though that quite some models seem to be off, in a negative sense. I don't think they overpowered the Russian planes, although they certainly didn't nerf them.

[FOZ_1983]

no not the LA series at all. I dont worry about them to much as only 1 or 2 players may take it into a fight. The 3 that bug me the most are the obvious one -

P51 (obvious reasons)
190 (obvious reasons)
ju87 - Far to much armour!! these cans should be fairly easy to shoot down and only take a few rounds, but in here they are so hard to take down they can stay airbourne for an endless amount of time and just keep getting shot at.


No denying the LA is a good plane to fly though, i was hugely impressed with it when i took it up for trials :D