New USAAF Campaign Desperately Needed

[Doktorwzzerd]

So far in BoP the American side of the air war and American aircraft are severely underrepresented, a situation which desperately needs remedying. Also high altitude bomber escort is nowhere in the title so why not kill three birds with one stone? New full, extensive campaign DLC featuring the P-38, B-29, B-24, P-40, later P-51 marks, later P-47 marks etc which documents the USAAF strategic air campaign from 1942-1945. I would propose it also contain a couple of new city maps as well, Hamburg, Munich, Ploesti etc.

You could start in 1943 in one of the early unescorted B-17 missions with heavy losses, thus illustrating the need for fighters. Then do escort duty in a P-38, working your way through the transition to P-47 and P-51 models allowing for deeper raids into Germany, while witnessing the updated German models of 109s and 190s in response, maybe even late in 45 go up against 262s and 163s. The flak would also have to be turned waay up form anything currently seen in the game.

I realize there are other DLC suggestion threads, but I think that the under-representation of the USAAF in BoP demands special notice and urgent rectification. We already have very significant showings from the British and Russian perspective on the war with tons of planes, and missions. So far for the Americans we have 3 campaign missions and 5 planes (two of which are broken)? New and extensive USAAF Strategic Air War DLC is the most natural expansion of BoP!

[Tudorp15]

Good point.. But, I think much of that is because BOP tends to be of a British perspective, not American. May be largely due to the fact that the development is British I think. That is to be expected. If it was from an American developer, I would assume it would be more from the American perspective..

Please do not take this next comment out of context. I am also a proud American, and also a USAF veteran. But, I am also open minded, and tend to have the talent to see other perspectives, and am very aware of our (American) faults. One of them being we are a very arogant culture, and tend to think everything revolves around us. It doesn't. We were a large part of the war, and the victory, but, we were most definitly not the only contribution to that victory.. I like BOP as it is, but also at the same time, would also like to see more American presence.. Maybe in the sequils, assuming there will be a Pacific theater theme, we will see allot of American war birds, and presence..

Just saying..

[Tudorp15]

If I could add to that.. I think it is a very slippery slope to undertake in a game like this. I also know that Asia has a large gaming community. Maybe even larger than North America. If they add a Pacific Theme, how will that sit in the Japanese markets? I am not so sure they want to be a part of the reminder of the scars they still have today from the war. For us, it would be a cool facet of BOP, but other cultures, and perspectives may not embrace it like we, and the other Allies would...

[FOZ_1983]

Lets not forget that their is a US campaign, and that is the battle of bulge. Granted the P51 model is off but then again so is the spitfire in the BoB campaign.

[FOZ_1983]

From what i have played it seems to work out like this on the whole liek this for each faction -

RAF -dogfighting
US - ground attack
RUSSIA -ground attack/dogfight


Granted each faction has a taste of something else, but on the whole they seem to be given the role noted above. Just my observation

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

I'd rather have a German campaign. See the other side of the war for once.

[FOZ_1983]

I'd rather have a German campaign. See the other side of the war for once.

EAW (european air war) was good for this, waayyyyy back in the day.


It gave you the choice of the luftwaffe campaign in -

battle of britain 1940
europe 1943
europe 1944

if you started europe in 43, you could carry your stats and squadron over to the 4 campaign. Though prior to starting the campaign as the luftwaffe it clearly said "you cannot win the war" just drag it out a little longer.

I remember it well, taking down bombers (unsure of what until i got close enough to intercept) and they usually had spitfires or P47's escorting them if it was close enough to the english channel, then i remember one game... i went up to interept a formation of B17's, same shit different day. I see the escorts, and expect spits or P47's (preffered P47's they were big and easy) but it turned out to be my first encounter with the P51D.... son of a bitch wiped out practically my entire staffel. I was not happy at all!! On the whole it was a superb and very enjoyable luftwaffe camapign, i would love another authentic campaign similar to this one. :D

[Doktorwzzerd]

Good point.. But, I think much of that is because BOP tends to be of a British perspective, not American. May be largely due to the fact that the development is British I think. That is to be expected. If it was from an American developer, I would assume it would be more from the American perspective..

Please do not take this next comment out of context. I am also a proud American, and also a USAF veteran. But, I am also open minded, and tend to have the talent to see other perspectives, and am very aware of our (American) faults. One of them being we are a very arogant culture, and tend to think everything revolves around us. It doesn't. We were a large part of the war, and the victory, but, we were most definitly not the only contribution to that victory.. I like BOP as it is, but also at the same time, would also like to see more American presence.. Maybe in the sequils, assuming there will be a Pacific theater theme, we will see allot of American war birds, and presence..

Just saying..

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you on a number of counts:

1) BoP was developed by Russians, so if there is any bias it would be Russian and not British.

2) I don't think anything about the existing game has to do with any historical bias or national chauvinism, there's just only so much development time and so the game was focused on the Eastern Front, BoB and Sicily with just a few Bulge missions thrown in for good measure. No big deal, but some USAAF DLC would be really great to balance it out. My OP was not intended as being any plea for nationalistic satisfaction, or complaint of bias, it was meant simply to express an interest in filling in the gaps of the history being portrayed by BoP.

4) I can't see what Asia has to do with anything, this is the ETO and so is focused on the ETO, my point is that having all of the history of the ETO be portrayed would be very nice.

3) All of the above being said, can we please, someday in America, be able to talk about our selves and our history without having to delve into pro forma mea culpas about our supposedly unique cultural arrogance? Puuul-lease, ask a Russian and they will try to tell you that they won WW2 by themselves. Even the *mighty* French will claim it was they alone who liberated Paris. The British will claim that they by themselves were the critical weight in the balance of freedom during the dark years of 1938-1942 (which actually is probably true!) If America suffers from cultural arrogance, it is hardly a unique affliction and certainly not one worthy of incessant self-flagellation. Save the drama for Obama.

4) I agree, a Pacific Theater sequel or DLC would be rad. Also, dare I say it, Korea?

[FOZ_1983]

Korea would have to be a whole new game since its not WW2,

though a pacific campaign could work, yet it would be small (very small) so it would take alot of work to make such a campaign, why not just make the sequel the battle in the pacific? though the russians clealry wouldnt feature so heavily, and neither the brits. The dutch would on the other hand and the americans. I just really dont even see them thinking about anything for BoP that features the pacific.

If anymore DLC comes out then im almost certain its going to stay in the european theatre and offer us simple missions like we already got with the last one. Simple things like

"protect the convoy coming through the english channel from JU87'S"
"escort the B17's to the target and back (again!) though this time in the P51"
"take part in a raid against an enemy airfield in your blenheim bomber"


Just short simple missions like so, something easy to do and that will rake in the cash.

[Doktorwzzerd]

Korea would have to be a whole new game since its not WW2...

...

Agreed on what we will *probably* get, but doing Korea *theoretically* could be as simple as creating F-86 and MiG-15 flight models and a new map. All of the physics and weapons are the same. The only trick might be adding speed breaks, but you could skip it or make a cheap solution and it would be no big deal. Maybe speed breaks could take the place of the view change (y on gamepad) or some other little used button in a pinch?

*Edit actually the British side of the Pacific wouldn't be so hard to do, wasn't the RAF active in the Burmese and Australia/New Zealand theaters?

As for the Russians... yeah Stalin didn't even declare war on the Japanese until the last months of 1945, just in time to seize Manchuria and influence China without doing any of the heavy lifting, boy I'm glad FDR and Truman trusted him, I'm sure the Chinese are as well.

[Tudorp15]

Thats the point I was making. every country had their pride, as we do. We deserve to be proud, as all the other countries for what they accomplished in history. But, I am not afraid to claim my own part of arogance. There are steriotypes in all cultures, and arogance is ours. I remember years ago I think it was a china diplomat I cant remember called Americans fat and lazy. It pissed everyone off. Me included.. But guess what.. He was right, even though I feel he was out of line saying it in his position..

Anyway.. Nuff of that.. Anyway... A Korean version would be cool. I actually suggested that in the Dev area.. I love prop planes, but also love the early jet era.

I did not know it was a russian development. I thought british.. But no matter.. But I knew it was not American..

[Doktorwzzerd]

Thats the point I was making. every country had their pride, as we do. We deserve to be proud, as all the other countries for what they accomplished in history. But, I am not afraid to claim my own part of arogance. There are steriotypes in all cultures, and arogance is ours. I remember years ago I think it was a china diplomat I cant remember called Americans fat and lazy. It pissed everyone off. Me included.. But guess what.. He was right, even though I feel he was out of line saying it in his position..


Jeez, so now we're fat and lazy in addition to being self centered and arrogant? Speak for yourself dude, last I checked Americans work more hours a week on average than any other western country. Are you sure you're an American? You seem to have a very low opinion of this country. I'm just messing with you, but actually that checks out; *note to Europeans: if theres anything Americans love to do more than talk about how awesome we are its talk about how awful we are! Just step into any university history department and you will see.

[flynlion]

If I could add to that.. I think it is a very slippery slope to undertake in a game like this. I also know that Asia has a large gaming community. Maybe even larger than North America. If they add a Pacific Theme, how will that sit in the Japanese markets? I am not so sure they want to be a part of the reminder of the scars they still have today from the war. For us, it would be a cool facet of BOP, but other cultures, and perspectives may not embrace it like we, and the other Allies would...

Just out of curiousity, are there many Germans or Italians out there who enjoy the game? I've already confessed to feeling a pang of guilt when I shoot at a Hurricane or Spitfire, and I'm from the USA.

[DoraNine]

Please do not take this next comment out of context. I am also a proud American, and also a USAF veteran. But, I am also open minded, and tend to have the talent to see other perspectives, and am very aware of our (American) faults. One of them being we are a very arogant culture, and tend to think everything revolves around us.
Just saying..

I'm definitely one of the "arrogant ones who thinks that everything evolves around us":grin:

[Tudorp15]

yeah.. i am.. red blooded American.. Also a decorated veteran that did what I had to do to maintain my rights as well as yours.. I am an American, and own my good and my bad..


Jeez, so now we're fat and lazy in addition to being self centered and arrogant? Speak for yourself dude, last I checked Americans work more hours a week on average than any other western country. Are you sure you're an American? You seem to have a very low opinion of this country. I'm just messing with you, but actually that checks out; *note to Europeans: if theres anything Americans love to do more than talk about how awesome we are its talk about how awful we are! Just step into any university history department and you will see.

[Doktorwzzerd]

yeah.. i am.. red blooded American.. Also a decorated veteran that did what I had to do to maintain my rights as well as yours.. I am an American, and own my good and my bad..


It's cool man, I'm just playing with you, thanks for your service.

[DoraNine]

Just step into any university history department and you will see.

This man speaks the truth:!: Any History or Political Science lecture these days is more times than not -- a real "gag fest"

I was fortunate enough to have had a few active duty Naval Officers as professors -- but they were the minority.

[Tudorp15]

It's all good bro.. No worries.. And thanks..



It's cool man, I'm just playing with you, thanks for your service.

[Tudorp15]

History is a good thing. I wish every kid in school took it more seriously. But it is the stuff that is never written in the history books that haunt us...


This man speaks the truth:!: Any History or Political Science lecture these days is more times than not -- a real "gag fest"

I was fortunate enough to have had a few active duty Naval Officers as professors -- but they were the minority.

[Crispus222]

Actually, this is kind of an arrogant request imo. The developers did a great job on this game and your telling them that they need more US in it. Play any other WWII game and you'll most likely get American missions. Even though you guys were originally gonna stay out of the war until you got attacked by the Japanese in 1943 (Is that correct, 1943?). That's like me asking for a Canadian perspective for once. You think your misrepresented! We're not represented... I think it's refreshing to have a WWII game with a low American presence for once. Yes, the US helped win the war, but so did everyone else, and they fought for much longer. The perspective that is put out there is that you guys won the war and without you it could not happen. The game is great, so stop complaining. (I guess you just can't please them all though right... Everyone always wants something more...)

[Tudorp15]

This may be arrogant, I don't know.. But, I do give kudos to all veterans that fought in the war regardless of country, victory or loss. But, I also believe that the war could not have been won without the US support. I also believe that we could not have won it by ourselves for that matter either... Every soldier that fought in that war, regardless of which side, thought they were the good guys...

[Lexandro]

I mean no offence here to the US peeps, but dont you there are enough US-centric games on the market as it is? Granted some of the big publishing houses are based in the US so some bias towards that market it to be expected.

I find it refreshing that for once the US have to take a backseat in a games story, where the focus is on how the UK and Russia faired in the war.

I dont want to bellitle the war effort of the US servicemen but the pacific campaign was not a very stellar enviroment for aerial combat. The actual scenery would consist largely of open ocean and on the odd occasion an island. Its not the greatest setting for a game with such great landscaping effects and other visual treats.

However adding in more missions from the US airforce campaign over Europe would be in keeping with the games feel and I would support it.

[Crispus222]

I should also state that I don't mean to downplay any of the American's that fought in the war. Many lost there lives and we must respect those who fought for our freedom!

[Panzergranate]

IL-2 Korea sounds appealing.

Stormoviks were flown by the North Koreans and there were still a fair few prop jobs doing most of the ground attack work, new fangled jets being too vulnerable to FlaK damage and expensive.

Dogfighting a Mig-15 with a Royal Navy Hawker Sea Fury turbo prop fighter would make for an ineresting experience.

Ditto flying an F8 Skyraider on a ground attack mission.

B-36 bombers with an F-86 Sabre or Goblin mini-fighter slung under the belly.

Early semi-blind SAM missiles coming up at ya....

North Korean dumb fire rocket FlaK....

All those crappy early post WW2 US Navy jet fighters with the underpowered and unreliable Westinghouse J-34 jet powerplant....

Sounds better the more I think about it....

[Vulcan607]

Most war games on the market have an American campain, fair dos you were in WWII and saved us Limeys skins, and cheers for that, but do you honestly think that those games would have sold aswell if they hadnt got a US campain mode?

Most of my favorite XBL quote came for Americans
"I dont know why you guys call it English, we invented it".
"Do you Know the Queen?" (one of the most common)
"England, what state is that in?"


but to be fair there are some damn fine chaps from the US out there.

[FOZ_1983]

Ok to answer as many as i can...

yes the Brits were in Burma/NZ/Singapore etc but the japanese gave us a good kicking so we struggled in this theatre, this was more an american scenario, your bigger than us remember were only a small country, we were busy in europe/africa :)

The americans entered the war in 1941 after pearl harbour. Though a small amout did fly for the RAF during 1940

A game basd in korea.... im not so keen. Its the border between old and new and its just going to be awkward i think. Im happy with WW2 flying games :)

I would like to see the inclusion of more skins for planes, and some single missions in africa maybe? this could include the italians/germans/french/brits/yanks and could offer something different.

Cant be that hard to create a desert either surely ;) and i'd get to fly the hurricane with 4 cannons hopefully or huge gun pods under the wing for anti tank duty (though seriously messing up speed and manouverability).

I can wish though eh?

[FOZ_1983]

Most war games on the market have an American campain, fair dos you were in WWII and saved us Limeys skins, and cheers for that, but do you honestly think that those games would have sold aswell if they hadnt got a US campain mode?

Most of my favorite XBL quote came for Americans
"I dont know why you guys call it English, we invented it".
"Do you Know the Queen?" (one of the most common)
"England, what state is that in?"


but to be fair there are some damn fine chaps from the US out there.

How did they save us? They helped us win the war (thanks for that) but im not so sure they saved us. We kept the third reich at bay after 1940, granted we couldnt of invaded europe on our own but we could of survived ourselves as an island.

Unless the atlantic convoys comes under saving us? if so then yes i agree they did save us with those, giving us much needed supplies. Again - thanks for that :D

Another quote you failed to mention

"hey you british fag, we won the war of independence, we havn't lost a war yet" - clearly vietnam must slip your mind?

"Hey you british fag, we won the civil war" - well yeah naturally!!! you were fighting yourselves you dick

The above 2 quotes are usually aimed at me by americans under the age of 15, though the occasional "adult" will use them to. On the whole though the americans i do talk to are a great bunch who dont **** about.

Us brits are just as bad sometimes unfortunately. :(

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

"Hey you british fag, we won the civil war" - well yeah naturally!!! you were fighting yourselves you dick


LOL :grin: That's awesome.

O, and Canada FTW! lol

[Doktorwzzerd]

Actually, this is kind of an arrogant request imo. The developers did a great job on this game and your telling them that they need more US in it. Play any other WWII game and you'll most likely get American missions. Even though you guys were originally gonna stay out of the war until you got attacked by the Japanese in 1943 (Is that correct, 1943?). That's like me asking for a Canadian perspective for once. You think your misrepresented! We're not represented... I think it's refreshing to have a WWII game with a low American presence for once. Yes, the US helped win the war, but so did everyone else, and they fought for much longer. The perspective that is put out there is that you guys won the war and without you it could not happen. The game is great, so stop complaining. (I guess you just can't please them all though right... Everyone always wants something more...)

Again Let Me Re-State For The Reflexively Ameri-phobic:

BoP is great and seeing the eastern front and BoB portrayed in-depth is awesome, I understand that the Devs are Russian and hence have a particular interest in the eastern front, but being that variety is the spice of life, wouldn't it be nice to have a major side of the ETO air war, that has not yet been portrayed in BoP, be available as DLC? Edit to clarify: I don't want American pre-eminence or expect it, but more is more right? Wouldn't everyone like to play a side of the air war and planes not yet in the game regardless of ones nationality? BTW asking for DLC isn't a complaint, DLC exists precisely for the purpose of giving players more.

Furthermore the Canadian experience is represented, the Battle of Britain and Sicilian campaigns are all there with lots of aircraft and missions. Being that Canada at the time was a part of the British Empire many of the sorts of missions and aircraft flown by Canadians are there, just turn down the sound and imagine the pilots saying "eh" and "hoser" alot instead of "crikey" or "blighter" and you will be all set.

Though if you want I am totally down to petition for some Battle of the Atlantic anti-submarine missions, which were particularly Canadian jobs.

But lets not kid ourselves, while I would not argue that the courage and gallantry of Canadian pilots is in anyway less that that of Americans, comparing the scale of the RCAFs activity in the ETO and that of the USAAF is just plain silly. The USAAF played a *major* role (from 1943-45 perhaps THE major role) in the European air war and having some USAAF DLC would make the experience of BoP much more complete.

Also if you aren't sure as to whether or not the US entered the war in 1943 you might want to tone down the accusations of arrogance. BTW the U.S. entered the war on December 7, 1941, just a few months after Russia converted from being an ally of Germany to a foe, so much for "they fought for much longer".

[Tudorp15]

Foz... Why were they calling you a British cigarette?

lol

[Doktorwzzerd]

"hey you british fag, we won the war of independence, we havn't lost a war yet" - clearly vietnam must slip your mind?

"Hey you british fag, we won the civil war" - well yeah naturally!!! you were fighting yourselves you dick

(

Haha, hey you british fag:
1) Congress lost Vietnam when they banned any funding for South Vietnam in 1973. Also the Rambo movies rule, so from that perspective you might say that we won it.
2) Depends on where you're from, being from North Carolina, you might say my countrymen lost it. But goddamit we looked good doing it!
3) In war, nobody wins:rolleyes:(though the Carthaginians might disagree, that is if they still existed to disagree. For those not in the know: Carthage was razed to the ground by the Romans after losing the Punic Wars)

Also why would someone brag to an Englishman about winning the American civil war? I'm pretty sure England won the English civil war too!

[dazz1971]

some xbox live quotes ive had thrown at me by mainly teenage americans
you brits drink tea!!! ER NO I CANT STAND THE STUFF !!!
you brits all have bad teeth !! AGAIN I HAVE EXCELENT DENTAL HYGINE !!

You brits lost the war of independance WHO CARES I LIVE IN ENGLAND NOT AMERICA ALSO YOU LOST THE VIETNAM WAR against a bunch f pajayma wearing third world villagers :grin:

we have the best army in the world !!! REALLY AND WHO TRAINS YOUR SPEC OPPS GUYS THEN ?? I TELL YA OUR SAS INSTRUCTORS !!

ALSO I LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THEM THAT AS THEY HAVE THE BEST AND MOST EQUIPPED ARMY IN THE WORLD HOW COME THEY DIDNT WIN THE VIETNAM CONFLICT ETC


BUT the most americans that are older and more mature have been some of the best guys ive met and ive had some great times on xbox live with

AND US BRITS ARE NO DIFFERENT OUR TEENAGES ARE JUST AS BAD AND IVE HEARD BRIT TEENAGERS THROW THE YOU YANKS ARE ALL OVERWEIGHT BURGER MUNCHERS CRAP TOO!!!!

THAT WHY I TEND TO STICK TO MORE MATURE GAMES LIKE ILL 2 ETC

[Tudorp15]

The war aside.. I will honestly tell you when my level of respect rose to heights for the British military.. Well, while I served in what was know as SAC (Strategic Air Command) as a systems electrician on the B-52D/G. We used to hold friendly "Bomb Competitions". It was not as "popular" or well known as "Red Flag" (Top Gun type of tripe), but it was SAC's version of that. We used to participate along side of the Brits in their Vulcan Bomber (one of the coolest British Bombers IMHO. Well, my respect for the Brits rose to an all time high when after our ground support during the competitions, us mechanics, American, German, French, Israeli, Canadian, and Brits alike would go to the nearest watering hole for refreshing beverage. Well, the Brits and the Deutch would nearly vomit if we started drinking American beer, and generally, they would bring their own. Their cargo planes that supported the effort, I think were more to carry their ale than it was to carry their support equipment. They used to steal a few of us Americans and take off to help them lighten their cargo planes load. I tell you what, us Americans, who used to think we could drink, would be like we were made of rubber, and couldn't talk and those danged Brits used to have to carry us back to the dorm to put us to bed to rest up for the next day's events.. THOSE damned Brits could drink brother, and walk away when us American's forgot we even had legs.. lol

Cheers..

[Doktorwzzerd]

ALSO I LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THEM THAT AS THEY HAVE THE BEST AND MOST EQUIPPED ARMY IN THE WORLD HOW COME THEY DIDNT WIN THE VIETNAM CONFLICT ETC



Dude, didn't I just point out that we really won it? Sure South Vietnam fell to the communists a few years after we withdrew, but we got movies out of it like the Rambo series, the Deer Hunter, numerous episodes of Airwolf, Delta Force etc. Thats more than you guys ever got out of the War of Spanish Succession, so whos the real winner, I ask you?

But seriously, lets put aside the nationality issues and just think of this from the perspective that all of us are game players and BoP fans:

Waht would you guys think about high altitude bomber escort? Bear in mind that a lot of the planes in BoP are designed for peak performance over 12,000ft like the later 109s, the 190s the P-51s, later Spits etc. I think it would be really cool and different from whats already there, if done right.

[dazz1971]

The war aside.. I will honestly tell you when my level of respect rose to heights for the British military.. Well, while I served in what was know as SAC (Strategic Air Command) as a systems electrician on the B-52D/G. We used to hold friendly "Bomb Competitions". It was not as "popular" or well known as "Red Flag" (Top Gun type of tripe), but it was SAC's version of that. We used to participate along side of the Brits in their Vulcan Bomber (one of the coolest British Bombers IMHO. Well, my respect for the Brits rose to an all time high when after our ground support during the competitions, us mechanics, American, German, French, Israeli, Canadian, and Brits alike would go to the nearest watering hole for refreshing beverage. Well, the Brits and the Deutch would nearly vomit if we started drinking American beer, and generally, they would bring their own. Their cargo planes that supported the effort, I think were more to carry their ale than it was to carry their support equipment. They used to steel a few of us Americans and take off to help them lighten their cargo planes load. I tell you what, us Americans, who used to think we could drink, would be like we were made of rubber, and couldn't talk and those danged Brits used to have to carry us back to the dorm to put us to bed to rest up for the next day's events.. THOSE damned Brits could drink brother, and walk away when us American's forgot we even had legs.. lol

Cheers..

lol i like it tudorp :grin:

just down the road from me at baggington airport (coventry) there is a vulcan bomber on display you pay a pound and you can go inside with a guide HOW THE HELL THEY FLEW THEM I NEVER KNOW the windows were next to useless and then they had a screen thing that dropped down in the event of a atomic blast so the windows would of shut off compleatly

they had to take off and land by instruments only !! and there is a cool periscope thing that looks backwards out the bottom of the plane i think it was a bomb sight but could be wrong been a while since ive been there i might go soon and get some pics to share with you guys :grin:

[dazz1971]

Dude, didn't I just point out that we really won it? Sure South Vietnam fell to the communists a few years after we withdrew, but we got movies out of it like the Rambo series, the Deer Hunter, numerous episodes of Airwolf, Delta Force etc. Thats more than you guys ever got out of the War of Spanish Succession, so whos the real winner, I ask you?

lol cant argue with that :grin: johnny rambo!!!!!:grin::grin:

[FOZ_1983]

Foz... Why were they calling you a British cigarette?

lol


Hahahaha, i have no idea mate ;)


Your online, lets fly!

[FOZ_1983]

Saw the vulcan flying last month!! damn that thing is loud!!!

[FOZ_1983]

listen to it roar!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k397fe-S-aY

[dazz1971]

Saw the vulcan flying last month!! damn that thing is loud!!!

havnt seen the thing in flight but we were there when they taxi,d the thing along the runway and yes it was LOUD!!! lol my ears were ringing :grin:

[FOZ_1983]

vid up :D

[dazz1971]

awsome vid foz mate :grin:

are you from sunderland ?? if so i owe you an apologie cause i thought you sounded more like a manc :-P not that there is anything wrong with mancs my fathers family are all mancs oh and the odd scouser too :grin::grin:

[Tudorp15]

Yep.. the B-52 also has those blast shields.. Also.. I will not say that I have one ;), because of course they would be US Government property, and maybe even "Classified".. But They had Flash blindness kits in the pilot and co-pilot seat kits. They are a plastic case, with a pair of the coolest black with gold lenzes goggles. Also in the kit is a sealed eye patch. The concept is while bombing with nukes, they were to place the eye patch over one eye, then the goggles. The goggles, you can actually look strait into the sun with. WHile bombing low level runs, the goggles would protect your eyes from the nuke flash. The eye patch was a secondary procaution in case the goggles did not work like they should. In that case, you can remove the goggles and the eye patch and at least have one eye to fly home with.. I still have "memories" of one of those kits... ;)

[FOZ_1983]

Nope im from blackpool lol, but the vulcan came straigh here from sunderland. So had to use a clip from sunderland instead.

It flew sunderland/windamere/blackpool

[dazz1971]

Yep.. the B-52 also has those blast shields.. Also.. I will not say that I have one ;), because of course they would be US Government property, and maybe even "Classified".. But They had Flash blindness kits in the pilot and co-pilot seat kits. They are a plastic case, with a pair of the coolest black with gold lenzes goggles. Also in the kit is a sealed eye patch. The concept is while bombing with nukes, they were to place the eye patch over one eye, then the goggles. The goggles, you can actually look strait into the sun with. WHile bombing low level runs, the goggles would protect your eyes from the nuke flash. The eye patch was a secondary procaution in case the goggles did not work like they should. In that case, you can remove the goggles and the eye patch and at least have one eye to fly home with.. I still have "memories" of one of those kits... ;)

i get what you are saying ;) that is just too cool mate i envy you guys who got to fly in these thing i allways wanted to join the raf as a bomber pilot but i was just too stupid (should of paid more attention at school) so lots of respect to you mate :grin::grin:





Nope im from blackpool lol, but the vulcan came straigh here from sunderland. So had to use a clip from sunderland instead.

It flew sunderland/windamere/blackpool

cool wish id seen that in the flesh so to speak

and i wasnt far off with the manc then blackpool is just across the way lol :-P

im trying to get the tv off my gf and daughter so i can join you guys online :(

[FOZ_1983]

not missing much mate,

serpah and morgoth are online and they work well together. Just lost 20-6 to them. They both had the LA-7 and its like using a cheat lol. Its just to damn good. Thought i could maybe out run it in a straight line with the spitXVI but its not happening!! its crazy

[Doktorwzzerd]

IL-2 Korea sounds appealing.

Stormoviks were flown by the North Koreans and there were still a fair few prop jobs doing most of the ground attack work, new fangled jets being too vulnerable to FlaK damage and expensive.

Dogfighting a Mig-15 with a Royal Navy Hawker Sea Fury turbo prop fighter would make for an ineresting experience.

Ditto flying an F8 Skyraider on a ground attack mission.

B-36 bombers with an F-86 Sabre or Goblin mini-fighter slung under the belly.

Early semi-blind SAM missiles coming up at ya....

North Korean dumb fire rocket FlaK....

All those crappy early post WW2 US Navy jet fighters with the underpowered and unreliable Westinghouse J-34 jet powerplant....

Sounds better the more I think about it....

Forgot this post in all of the national controversy, but yeah! My thoughts exactly, theres a lot more variety to the aircraft flown in korea than most realize also: TWIN MUSTANGS! I love how the Air Force thought: whats better than one mustang? Two mustangs obviously! If it worked for Twix candy bars it can work for the P-51, so they just welded a couple together and the result: AWESOMENESS!

I forget who said it but somebody back there said they thought it wouldn't be very cool due to the early stage of jet development, well to each his own, but the F-86 and MiG-15 were very reliable and well engineered aircraft for their generation, its basically like WW2, just a lot faster. See the MiG Alley episode of Dogfights, its one of the best ones for great guns battles.

[MorgothNL]

seraph was using the La-5FN to be correct ;). nice game though foz :).The outrunning worked for a few sec, untill you made a turn ;)

[Robotic Pope]

crap that doesn't sound good for our Hurricanes. I'm online now.

Did you know that the Vulcan could out turn an F-15 at very high altitude? cool huh.

[Lexandro]

Imagine being an Argentinian pilot based at port stanley during the falklands conflict. Then imagine that Vulcan roaring over the airfield with impunity and bombing the crap out of the runway. They must have **** there pants when they heard it.

[Tudorp15]

thats no fair.. MOST of that score was MY deaths.. lol... I would spawn, die, spawn die.. Jeesshh. Give a drone a break, hahhah



seraph was using the La-5FN to be correct ;). nice game though foz :).The outrunning worked for a few sec, untill you made a turn ;)

[FOZ_1983]

seraph was using the La-5FN to be correct ;). nice game though foz :).The outrunning worked for a few sec, untill you made a turn ;)

Ive always used the XVI ina mass dogfight so this time tried something new, sisnt work to well though. When i was damaged enough i was flying straight for you so you could shoot me down and get your kill.

Maybe the IX would be a better bet next time. The turn is slightly better with that one but the tops speed isnt.... hmm choices to make.

Great game though, you both work well together :D

[Armchairpilot]

Reading this very interesting thread, I never read whether or not anyone would actually like to have high altitude bomber cover missions from the American perspective as some kind of DLC.

And would also be curious what kinds of missions or perspective you'd rather have.

[DaveE30]

I'd love for a console version to be based on the Pacific theater.

[Tudorp15]

Yes...

I am a SAC kinda person myself.. I doubt that would ever really happen though, because high alt bombing missions are rather boring and not filled too much with action unless of course the bomber is attacked.. I have flown in a B-52 on a mock mission (yes a real one, in real time), and to be honest, as interesting as it was, I questioned what the hell I was thinking when I decided to ride with them. I was sitting in that B-52 in the EW officer seat for 13 hours, and never really saw much (that seat does not have a window)... I sat there in the dark for the most part staring at a huge panel with red back lighting reading gauges, etc listening to radio chatter for 13 spine numbing hours...



Reading this very interesting thread, I never read whether or not anyone would actually like to have high altitude bomber cover missions from the American perspective as some kind of DLC.

And would also be curious what kinds of missions or perspective you'd rather have.

[lost cause]

Entertaining thread here. I gotta agree Korea would be a great game. In the early going, America unmothballed p51s and corairs to fly ground attack missions. Many USAAF WW2 vets were recalled to fight again. Francis Gabreski was one of em. And don't forget about the Panthers flying deep penetration ground support and having to get back to their carriers. And it was the first time choppers made an impact. Make a mission to save a downed pilot behind enemy lines in a chopper.

Regarding more American mission, there is enough already. In the p47 dlc you are up against ta152s, me262s and me163s while you escort bombers. And guess what? It is a challenge to nail them. They are so much faster than your Bolt! The only things really needed, IMHO only, are the plane modeling repair (everybody agrees the 51 and 190 is damaged) and more accurate flak. At times I think the enemy pilots AI is not so good also. Most pilots don't hold a steady course while they're being nailed.

[flynlion]

Reading this very interesting thread, I never read whether or not anyone would actually like to have high altitude bomber cover missions from the American perspective as some kind of DLC.

And would also be curious what kinds of missions or perspective you'd rather have.

Wheather or not I buy any DLC will depend on:
A) how well the upcoming patch solves current issues and
B) how expensive the DLC is

[Soviet Ace]

Yeah, Korea would be awesome. Get myself a F-86E10 with a 6/3 Wing!! Oh man, no MiG could get me. ;)

But an American high altitude bomber DLC? Meh, I could go either way really. It would be fun at the beginning because you wouldn't know what to expect, but after awhile of seeing some B17 with half a tail missing, and even more damage limping back home!? That might get a bit tedious.

[mattd27]

I'd like to see more american stuff simply because there are much less american planes. Some of my favorite planes are of the american variety and it's sad to see them missing. If they just add in the B-24, and most importantly the B-25, then all shall be forgiven. :)

[lost cause]

I don't think the b24 would act any differently than the 17 and the b25 would probably be along the lines of the a20. I don't know if putting them in the game is of any real vaule. However, having three Hienkels and two Stukas doesn't have any value either! A p38 makes more sense, but if it has the characteristics of the 47, would you use it in a dogfight? Being a video game, the strategic aircraft designs used in the war really get eaten up by the agile, fast and light fighters in the game. It can't be helped unless you make a scenario only for certain type aircraft. Just my thoughts.

[mattd27]

First of all the idea of essentially a B-25 with 4 engines has always appealed to me. :) And it was the most produced bomber of the war, that must be worth noting. It would be cool to have an alternative to the B-17.

However I can totally see your point about the P-38 and would welcome it to the game. ;)

Also, a bit off topic, but the "B-24 Liberator" has got to be one of the coolest plane names.:cool:

[FOZ_1983]

coolest name could be a good thread ;)

id have to go with - hawker hurricane, now i will get stick for that no doubt because im a hurricane fan boy :P

so my back up choice would be -

erm.....

ah.....

um.....

typhoon, or avenger

[mattd27]

FOZ goes with the hurricane? Did NOT see that one coming! :D

[David603]

If I could add to that.. I think it is a very slippery slope to undertake in a game like this. I also know that Asia has a large gaming community. Maybe even larger than North America. If they add a Pacific Theme, how will that sit in the Japanese markets? I am not so sure they want to be a part of the reminder of the scars they still have today from the war. For us, it would be a cool facet of BOP, but other cultures, and perspectives may not embrace it like we, and the other Allies would...
Il2 1946 has the Pacific-South East Asia theatre in it, and the Japanese community for that game is one of the biggest non-English speaking communities in the world. They turn out a lot of top quality mods for that game too, mainly Japanese aircraft but also some American aircraft from the same theatre.

[Vulcan607]

Imagine being an Argentinian pilot based at port stanley during the falklands conflict. Then imagine that Vulcan roaring over the airfield with impunity and bombing the crap out of the runway. They must have **** there pants when they heard it.

Blackbuck
XM607

The accounts of that mission are increadable.