Me 110

[Tiwatz]

how come there is so little love for the Me 110? Nobody seems to like flying it but me. It makes a great anti-bomber aircraft... Hey devs, I could use a couple bombs or something on the me 110 too... it made a great ground attack plane. Perhaps a couple 30mm cannon in a G model... or maybe a 'Jass Music'... those of you who know anything about Bf 110s and a few other aircraft of the luftwaffe- then you know what a Schrage Musik is...

[Ancient Seraph]

Because it's inferior to other planes in every single way. Cannons are not amazing, manouvreability is awful, speed and acceleration are low, etc. etc. You get the point.

[Tiwatz]

Because it's inferior to other planes in every single way. Cannons are not amazing, manouvreability is awful, speed and acceleration are low, etc. etc. You get the point.

I'm sorry, maybe you just don't know how to use it.... I seem to do pretty well, just ask the 43 pilots I've shot down on multiplayer while flying the 110. Those "not amazing" cannons work pretty nicely for taking off wings.

[Ancient Seraph]

I'm sorry, maybe you just don't know how to use it.... I seem to do pretty well, just ask the 43 pilots I've shot down on multiplayer while flying the 110. Those "not amazing" cannons work pretty nicely for taking off wings.

You actually keep count of the players you shot down? GJ.
Well, I've flown it, admittedly just twice, against bombers and fighters, and maybe you're right and I'm not using it well, but as far as I could tell there was no reason whatsoever to take the 110 instead of another plane.
What difficulty/mode?

[mattd27]

I've actually never flown it. Like Seraph, I just assumed it would be no match for other planes. But that's cool if it works well for you. Just out of curiosity, mind sharing some tactics on how you did so well with it?

[Tiwatz]

He is right in some respects... it really can't dogfight more than 3 spitfires with any hope of survival... Even fighting one is hard- but possible. The best way to use it is as a high altitude interceptor in the anti-bomber roll. Stay at high altitude and dive on your target with one accurate pass you can usually get a kill every time (if you practice first). With that dive you usually have enough speed to outrun anyone who tries to chase you.

[Tiwatz]

You actually keep count of the players you shot down? GJ.
Well, I've flown it, admittedly just twice, against bombers and fighters, and maybe you're right and I'm not using it well, but as far as I could tell there was no reason whatsoever to take the 110 instead of another plane.
What difficulty/mode?

yes... I've only flown a few planes- usually the harder to fly ones. I really don't have much choice but to fly on Arcade mode online- nobody else flies Sim mode. The real reason I keep track of how many people I shoot down online is that there is no other way to know how close you are to unlocking things with out doing it- there is no other scorecard but the leaderboards- and they suck.

[GabeFan]

I hope the Devs add a cockpit for the Bf-110. That would be super sweet!!

[Lexandro]

Ive flown the 110 and I wasnt impressed at all. In sim mode its OK if you stick to a particular role (eg bomber attacker) but in every other mode its a dead duck. It handles worse than an IL, and has lesser armaments than it to.

[Tiwatz]

I hope the Devs add a cockpit for the Bf-110. That would be super sweet!!

Indeed.

[iannik]

I hope the Devs add a cockpit for the Bf-110. That would be super sweet!!

quote :mrgreen:

[Tiwatz]

Ive flown the 110 and I wasnt impressed at all. In sim mode its OK if you stick to a particular role (eg bomber attacker) but in every other mode its a dead duck. It handles worse than an IL, and has lesser armaments than it to.

Perhaps the model they have in the game yes... but later on, the 'G' model had a significant upgrade in firepower and payload. Plus the IL-2 is just an ugly plane the Bf 110 simply looks prettier.

[play2often]

the bf 110 was able to carry 4 250 kg bombs or 4 210mm Wrf Gr rockets.
it was desinged as a long range escort and was also used for ground support, not dogfighting.

the fw-187 may have been an intended replacement but the luftwaffe stuck with the 110, so the 3 prototype187s were used in focke-wulf's private air force defending factories and scored 7 kills

( i got all this info from a book called "the illustrated directory of fighting aircraft of WW2 )

[Lexandro]

Perhaps the model they have in the game yes... but later on, the 'G' model had a significant upgrade in firepower and payload. Plus the IL-2 is just an ugly plane the Bf 110 simply looks prettier.

No doubt there, the IL is an ugly aircraft. However as I said in game the 110 is not as good as the IL.

[mattd27]

No doubt there, the IL is an ugly aircraft. However as I said in game is not as good as the IL.

I don't know, I think it looks pretty nice from the right angle. :)

[Soviet Ace]

Well wasn't the Me-110 originally made for a high altitude heavy fighter? But wasn't any good so they converted it to a Ground attack plane?

I fly the 110 from time to time, but only for fun. My Yak-3 can usually tear into it fairly easy.

[Tiwatz]

No doubt there, the IL is an ugly aircraft. However as I said in game the 110 is not as good as the IL.

Well- the models in the game as of yet are for very different purposes...The 110 is intended to be a heavy fighter (which I like). the IL-2 would be for ground attack (obviously).

Comparing them would be like comparing the late the F-4 Phantom (which was a large and heavy fighter) with the A-10 Warthog (the greatest tank-killer of all time, though only partially proven- unlike the IL-2)

[Tiwatz]

Well wasn't the Me-110 originally made for a high altitude heavy fighter? But wasn't any good so they converted it to a Ground attack plane?

I fly the 110 from time to time, but only for fun. My Yak-3 can usually tear into it fairly easy.

It was designed as a heavy fighter- but wasn't very good compared to other lighter fighters.... it was outclassed simply because nobody else flew heavy fighters... It would have been more than a match for the Mosquito though... later it was used as a high altitude fighter (anti bomber roll) which it was very well suited for... other models carried ground attack ordnance and was gor for it too.

[Lexandro]

The roles may be different but its how the are utilised in the game, especially online. While the IL is a ground attacker, it can be used as a heavy fighter as many do. Part of the problem is in the fact that there are few "heavy fighters" in the game, making the 110 a bit out of place at times.

Whatever the roles they have, how people actually play online is another matter. Rarely will a 110 survive long in an online match, where people use 109's/Spits/IL's to devastating effect. If the 110 had the G model varient in the game it would make a huge difference in its effectiveness and usage.

[Tiwatz]

The roles may be different but its how the are utilised in the game, especially online. While the IL is a ground attacker, it can be used as a heavy fighter as many do. Part of the problem is in the fact that there are few "heavy fighters" in the game, making the 110 a bit out of place at times.

Whatever the roles they have, how people actually play online is another matter. Rarely will a 110 survive long in an online match, where people use 109's/Spits/IL's to devastating effect. If the 110 had the G model varient in the game it would make a huge difference in its effectiveness and usage.

I'm pretty good at surviving in a 110... but on the whole you're right. Though I can survive- it takes a lot of work and it's very hard to get kills unless the enemy has larger, slower, or dumber aircraft, or at the very least someone who stumbles into your sights a few times. I don't fly the 110 in dogfight matches, only strike (anti-bomber or escort) or Capture the Airfield (which it is somehow well-suited for). The guns on it are extremely powerful- not because of what they are, but because they are so close together, if one round hits, chances are they all will- in the same spot; they are extremely accurate. I've gotten a few pretty nasty kills with my rear gunner too- which in a 110 is rare.

[Lexandro]

In Strike they can be a good option if you have a good number of players in different types of aircraft. However most games tend to have one or two heavy bombers such as the He111, and the rest as escorts such as 109's or spits. In that type of game the 110 can be outdone easily.

Im not averse to the G model being added, Im all for more aircraft. My only concern is that there should be some Allied heavy fighters so that they have an even match up, and thereby a fair crack at game.

[Tiwatz]

In Strike they can be a good option if you have a good number of players in different types of aircraft. However most games tend to have one or two heavy bombers such as the He111, and the rest as escorts such as 109's or spits. In that type of game the 110 can be outdone easily.

Im not averse to the G model being added, Im all for more aircraft. My only concern is that there should be some Allied heavy fighters so that they have an even match up, and thereby a fair crack at game.

I agree. I played one game a few nights ago with 5 B17s. My Bf 110 and I had a great time... 0 deaths and 6 kills if I recall correctly. I was smoking pretty bad when the game ended though (an enemy spitfire I think).

I think the Bf 110 is one of those planes that is generally overlooked by most people. Everyone sees its flaws but few see it's charms, ie. the massive accurate firepower on an extremely stable aiming platform. Up-ing the armament possibilities or variants for the 110 would make it more popular I think. Just look how many 109's you see in games- a testament to the nifty unlocks and the large number of variants.

As for allied heavy fighters... the P-38 will be added i'm sure... as will the Mosquito hopefully... as for others who knows. Maybe another type of Bristol or a Beaufighter?

[Lexandro]

Im hoping for the Mozzy in the DLC pack. Mozzy v 110 would be a great match up for a team battle imo.

And a nice pair of bristols is always a welcome sight. :lol:

[Tiwatz]

And a nice pair of bristols is always a welcome sight. :lol:

Unless you're a German U-Boat crewman... ;)

[Wissam24]

Actually it was a very effective night fighter

[play2often]

Actually it was a very effective night fighter

indeed. it "played a major part in the night battles over the Reich in the final years of the war" (quoting the book, Fighting Aircraft of WW2)

if a weapons layout with bombs or rockets were added as DLC, it would be more useful (bombs more so that the rockets)

but the tables would really be turned if a level with an emphasis on night-fighters was added. pitch black, guided only by blips on the radar, now that would be intense! (of course, they would have to make it so that you could only target other planes if you were aiming at them, otherwise people would just fly in circles and mash the target button until they found somebody, which would kind of ruin the experience.....)

[XFORCE005]

http://thm-a04.yimg.com/image/a20fc9c79413a04aHow about the ME-410 Hornet would be nice add and the P-61 Blackwidow.http://thm-a02.yimg.com/image/4c0f779751a6683a

[zg26]

The Me110 is my favorite aircraft too. I was a bit crestfallen when I first unlocked it and thought I'd have some fun in training and nail a couple of Blenheims for target practice and got the snot shot of out of me... even when attacking from astern and below.

I'd be stoked if they did a cockpit, and agree the 410 would be a nice addition. Heinkel 219 Uhu would be nice too!

[juz1]

I was teamed up with a 110 last night in a dogfight v 2 109s

it was downed 7 times for no reply from it...

one of the most context sensitive planes in the game...

best avoided
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RM125 (http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Suzuki_RM125)

[beaker126]

Hey Tiwatz, back to your OP, how do you think they'd work out the aiming of the schrage musik cannons? And yes, some more support for this bird would be nice. As my PSN ID says...

[haitch40]

th BF110 was a heavy fighter these were made to try and increase range and combat time the best plane of this class was the P82 twin mustang

[Tiwatz]

Hey Tiwatz, back to your OP, how do you think they'd work out the aiming of the schrage musik cannons? And yes, some more support for this bird would be nice. As my PSN ID says...

I think they could make another view much like the bombardiers view- just looking the other way. If it has a cockpit view it could still be another view from the inside- just looking at the ceiling of the canopy (through a set of crosshairs mounted on it).

[Voyager]

th BF110 was a heavy fighter these were made to try and increase range and combat time the best plane of this class was the P82 twin mustang

What, no love for the Tigercat?

[M3-SRT8]

No doubt there, the IL is an ugly aircraft. However as I said in game the 110 is not as good as the IL.

What I find amazing, and inaccurate, IMHO, is how easy I can dogfight flying in an iL-2. Although I can't outturn a Bf-109, I still manage to knock down just about everything in Sim mode. I'm good, but, not that good.

The Bf-110 is pretty easy meat in a Dogfight, and I have little problem dispatching them. It has the same problem every multiseat fighter has: too heavy to mix it up. The only exceptions are the Mosquito and some of the later Ju-88's, G models.

I take one back: Just the Mosquito.

LJB:cool:

[haitch40]

What, no love for the Tigercat?

sorry never even heard of it show me a picture

[Wissam24]

Guys, this is pointless, there are a LOT of planes that *could* be added to this game. There were a lot of planes in the Second World War, and they all arguably deserve a place in the game. Give it a rest

[Soviet Ace]

sorry never even heard of it show me a picture

Grumman F7F Tigercat (http://www.warbirdalley.com/f7f.htm)

[Tiwatz]

Wow... I pride myself on my knowledge of military history and warplanes... but I've gotta say- I had never heard of it either... four 20mm cannon in the wing roots and four .50 cals!! That's a pretty hefty basic armament.

[Tiwatz]

Guys, this is pointless, there are a LOT of planes that *could* be added to this game. There were a lot of planes in the Second World War, and they all arguably deserve a place in the game. Give it a rest
Why? We like talking about planes- you don't like it- read different forums.

[Soviet Ace]

The F7F Tigercat didn't play such a big role in the Pacific as is stated in the article I gave, but they are a cool plane to listen to. That's the good thing about living near Chino Airport. They've got like 3 F7F Tigercats, but two are only flying. The other is "static" or just for display.

F7F Tigercat, Chino Planes of Fame Airshow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBzifBaGWqU)

[Robotic Pope]

The F7F Tigercat didn't play such a big role in the Pacific as is stated in the article I gave, but they are a cool plane to listen to. That's the good thing about living near Chino Airport. They've got like 3 F7F Tigercats, but two are only flying. The other is "static" or just for display.


Your talking about the Korean War right? The Tigercat played no role at all in WWII.

[Soviet Ace]

Your talking about the Korean War right? The Tigercat played no role at all in WWII.

Yeah, I dunno why I said pacific. Probably should have been more specific on where in the pacific. But yes, I mean Korea.