Pacific Theatre Ideas

[Tiwatz]

I could go on for a day how great the game is… but I'll save it. Here are some observations about how the game could be enhanced with add-on content revolving around the Pacific Theatre and the Indian Ocean. Or a pacific sequel. All of my ideas are based on actual events- just as in the original campaign for the Birds of Prey... making anything not based on reality for this game would ruin the series.

Single mission: B-17 coming into Hawaii from West Coast in the midst of the attack on pearl harbor. (player must survive and land the B-17)

Single mission: Patrol in a PBY Catalina searching for the Japanese fleet over the vast Pacific.

Guadalcanal Campaign: Player plays as one of several pilots in the infamous “Cactus Air Force” that flew hundreds of missions from the tiny airstrip at Henderson Field on Guadalcanal. The missions include dive-bombing Japanese ships in a Dauntless, strafing and attempting to keep air superiority in an F4F Wildcat or P-39 Airacobra and perhaps torpedo and bombing runs in an Avenger.

Indian Ocean Campaign: Player flies as the British Commonwealth attempting to thwart the efforts of the Imperial Japanese carriers Shokaku and Zuikaku. Players fly as a variety of British Aircraft including the venerable Swordfish from a British carrier.

Single mission: Attempt to sink a long range Type IX U-boat near Malaysia with strafing and bombing runs… The player must sink the hapless German Submarine using surprise, speed, and violence of action. If the Submarine successfully crash-dives the chances of scoring a hit even with air-dropped depth charges would be slim (though it did happen- a testament to the skill of real pilots during the war)

The Opening Salvo Campaign: A short campaign chronicling the first few weeks of the war in the Pacific missions include The raids over Kwajalein, Wotje, Wake, and Marcus island, and the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo (B-25s would be nice).

Turning point Campaign: Player flies a variety of missions over the course of a single day as different pilots in the American Task force at the battle of Midway. Aircraft include F4F Wildcat, Dauntless, B-17, TBD Devastator, and the Avenger (which was doomed at Midway).

Island Hopping Campaign: Player flies a variety of aircraft from battle to battle across several islands. Missions include Support for Army and Marine units on the ground as well as fighter missions and escort missions for low level bombers. Aircraft include F6F Hellcat, F4UCorsair, SB2C Helldiver, P-61 Black Widow, and B-24 Liberator. New weapons could include Para-Bombs for low-level runs.

Okinawa Campaign. Player flies a variety of aircraft on ground support missions screening patrol missions and strike missions. Aircraft include the SB2C Helldiver, Avenger, and the F4U Corsair. Missions include anti Kamikaze patrols (including shooting down G4M Bettys carrying Ohka Rocket propelled suicide bombs) and the massive air strike on the Superbattleship, Yamato.

Single mission: Intercept and shoot down a flight of G4M betty bombers believed to be carrying Admiral Yamamoto. P38 lightings would be needed and the mission could unlock the G4M Betty medium bomber.

Single mission(S) or campaign based upon the famous Flying Tigers and their exploits over china in the P40 War hawk.

Single mission: Marianas Turkey Shoot… imagine how fun that’d be…

Obviously a great many new aircraft will be needed including Japanese planes and new British planes… I’d love to take an A6M2 Zero into multiplayer.

New encyclopedia article and new weapons and physics…. Two words… SKIP BOMBING.

Aircraft would include a full range of new ones, many listed above… but here are some Japanese planes and a few more allied ones that I didn’t put down before:

Ki 43
Ki 84
Ki 44
J2M Raiden
B 26 Marauder
Bristol Beaufort
G3M
G4M
Kikka
D3A Val
B5N Kate
B 29 Superfortress
B 24 Liberator
Buffalo
Ki 74

The list goes on and on really…

A new multiplayer game type: the players attempt to simply make it from one side of the the map to the other in high or low altitude bombers- Each aircraft that makes it will gain one point for their side- other players can either fly their own bomber or fly a fighter or interceptor and try and shoot them down- or escort their own side's bombers. The B29 would be great for that type of game- just survive the trip.

Landing a Damaged B-29 Superfortress at the emergency airfield on Okinawa would be pretty cool too.

[Ancient Seraph]

This suggestion thread (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=8616) and this suggestion thread (http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?showtopic=14) are made for a reason.

[Tiwatz]

The suggestions to the devs thread specifically states not to mention the Pacific and to keep it reasonable because it can't be added yet, hense why it is here instead. Your other link isn't even in the same forum.

You don't wanna post and keep to the topic then don't post at all.

[MorgothNL]

I hope you dont mean the Ki-84-Ic, when you say ki84. Darn I hated that plane in IL-2 pc version.
The normal Ki-84 would be a nice addition, but the Ki-84-Ic would kind of ruin the gameplay i think.

for the people who dont know the Ki-84-Ic for IL-2 pc: it had 2 20mm cannons, and 2 30mm ho-155 cannons. 1 shot destroyed an aircraft in 70% of the cases, and a bomber in a few shots. But still it was a formidable dogfighter, and had a good speed.

EDIT:
I just saw you've included the B-29. Sure dont hope to see that one in MP :P. Would be nice to use it in a training mission though, if they included a kind of mission editor

[Tiwatz]

I hope you dont mean the Ki-84-Ic, when you say ki84. Darn I hated that plane in IL-2 pc version.
The normal Ki-84 would be a nice addition, but the Ki-84-Ic would kind of ruin the gameplay i think.

for the people who dont know the Ki-84-Ic for IL-2 pc: it had 2 20mm cannons, and 2 30mm ho-155 cannons. 1 shot destroyed an aircraft in 70% of the cases, and a bomber in a few shots. But still it was a formidable dogfighter, and had a good speed.

lol, I actually meant any and all models of any plane from the Pacific they can cram into the game... I'd fly a Ki84 C model... But I'd only do it with limited ammo on. You have to admit- it my have a powerful gun and it is very hard to hit- but when you do hit it... it falls out of the sky pretty easy. You have to get pretty close to hit anything with that giant gun too.

[Lexandro]

Your other link isn't even in the same forum.
Thats because the other forum is the Developers forum where they regularly check peoples posts.


You don't wanna post and keep to the topic then don't post at all.

Your not going to get far with an attitude like that. This is a forum, he can post as much as he likes in any thread as long as he sticks to the rules. And his post IS on topic, as your thread is infact a suggestion that has already been done to death in the forum.

[GabeFan]

Awesome ideas Tiwatz!!

I love the idea of flying a B-17 into Hawaii during the Japanese attack...just like it really happened. Also an Axis mission where you are flying a Kate, Val or Zero in the Pearl Harbor attack force.

Maybe there could be a couple Aleutian Island missions too...

[Tiwatz]

Your not going to get far with an attitude like that. This is a forum, he can post as much as he likes in any thread as long as he sticks to the rules. And his post IS on topic, as your thread is infact a suggestion that has already been done to death in the forum.

Where do you see the word 'suggestion' in my posts? This is for ideas on the Pacific theater not suggestions for the devs. This has not been done to death- Where else have you seen any references to the Indian Ocean or German U-Boats in Malaysia? Copy and paste any 'suggestions' or ideas you find in other posts that reference anything like the ideas like the raids over Kwajalein, Wotje, Wake, and Marcus island and I'll abandon my posts.

[Lexandro]

Where do you see the word 'suggestion' in my posts? This is for ideas on the Pacific theater not suggestions for the devs.

ROFL. Are you serious?

The definition of a suggestion;

Noun 1 suggestion - an idea that is suggested; "the picnic was her suggestion"
idea, thought - the content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about; "it was not a good idea"; "the thought never entered my mind"

What school did you skip?

[Tiwatz]

EDIT:
I just saw you've included the B-29. Sure dont hope to see that one in MP :P. Would be nice to use it in a training mission though, if they included a kind of mission editor

Well, they could include it in Multiplayer- and here is how... A new game type where the players attempt to simply make it from one side of the the map to the other in high or low altitude bombers- Each aircraft that makes it will gain one point for their side- other players can either fly their own bomber or fly a fighter or interceptor and try and shoot them down- or escort their own side's bombers. The B29 would be great for that type of game- just survive the trip.

[Tiwatz]

ROFL. Are you serious?

The definition of a suggestion;

Noun 1 suggestion - an idea that is suggested; "the picnic was her suggestion"
idea, thought - the content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about; "it was not a good idea"; "the thought never entered my mind"

What school did you skip? Apparently not the same ones that you skipped... Find the word 'suggestion' in this... as you will see, they aren't even synonyms..... A suggestion implies that I am purposefully attempting to impart my own convictions upon someone else in the attempt to make them perform an action of my choosing. However- as you can see, my posts on here are simply ideas- nowhere was it said by me that the devs should make a Pacific Theater with what I listed above- I simply said that if they did- these things could be in it...


i·de·a (-d)
n.
1. Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity.
2. An opinion, conviction, or principle: has some strange political ideas.
3. A plan, scheme, or method.
4. The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project under budget.
5. A notion; a fancy.
6. Music A theme or motif.
7. Philosophy
a. In the philosophy of Plato, an archetype of which a corresponding being in phenomenal reality is an imperfect replica.
b. In the philosophy of Kant, a concept of reason that is transcendent but nonempirical.
c. In the philosophy of Hegel, absolute truth; the complete and ultimate product of reason.
8. Obsolete A mental image of something remembered.
[Middle English, from Latin, from Greek; see weid- in Indo-European roots.]
i·dea·less adj.
Synonyms: idea, thought, notion, concept, conception
These nouns refer to what is formed or represented in the mind as the product of mental activity. Idea has the widest range: "Human history is in essence a history of ideas" (H.G. Wells).
Thought is distinctively intellectual and stresses contemplation and reasoning: "Language is the dress of thought" (Samuel Johnson).
Notion often refers to a vague, general, or even fanciful idea: "She certainly has some notion of drawing" (Rudyard Kipling).
Concept and conception are applied to mental formulations on a broad scale: You seem to have absolutely no concept of time. "Every succeeding scientific discovery makes greater nonsense of old-time conceptions of sovereignty" (Anthony Eden).

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
idea
Noun
1. any product of mental activity; thought
2. a scheme, intention, or plan
3. the thought of something: the idea excites me
4. a belief or opinion
5. a vague notion; inkling: they had no idea of the severity of my injuries
6. a person's conception of something: his idea of integrity is not the same as mine
7. aim or purpose: the idea is to economize on transport
8. Philosophy (in Plato) a universal model of which all things in the same class are only imperfect imitations [Greek: model, outward appearance]
USAGE: It is usually considered correct to say that someone has the idea of doing something, rather than the idea to do it: he had the idea of taking (not the idea to take) a short holiday.

Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. ideaidea - the content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about; "it was not a good idea"; "the thought never entered my mind"
thought
cognitive content, mental object, content - the sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned
inspiration - arousal of the mind to special unusual activity or creativity
cogitation - a carefully considered thought about something; "his cogitations were dutifully recorded in his daybook"
concept, conception, construct - an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances
preoccupation - an idea that preoccupies the mind and holds the attention
misconception - an incorrect conception
plan, program, programme - a series of steps to be carried out or goals to be accomplished; "they drew up a six-step plan"; "they discussed plans for a new bond issue"
figment - a contrived or fantastic idea; "a figment of the imagination"
generalisation, generality, generalization - an idea or conclusion having general application; "he spoke in broad generalities"
impression, notion, belief, feeling, opinion - a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"
reaction - an idea evoked by some experience; "his reaction to the news was to start planning what to do"
theorem - an idea accepted as a demonstrable truth
whimsey, whimsy, whim, notion - an odd or fanciful or capricious idea; "the theatrical notion of disguise is associated with disaster in his stories"; "he had a whimsy about flying to the moon"; "whimsy can be humorous to someone with time to enjoy it"
meaning, substance - the idea that is intended; "What is the meaning of this proverb?"
burden - the central idea that is expanded in a document or discourse
theme, motif - a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"
ideal - the idea of something that is perfect; something that one hopes to attain
idealisation, idealization - something that exists only as an idea
keynote - a fundamental or central idea
kink - an eccentric idea
2. idea - your intention; what you intend to do; "he had in mind to see his old teacher"; "the idea of the game is to capture all the pieces"
mind
aim, intent, intention, purpose, design - an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions; "his intent was to provide a new translation"; "good intentions are not enough"; "it was created with the conscious aim of answering immediate needs"; "he made no secret of his designs"
3. idea - a personal view; "he has an idea that we don't like him"
opinion, persuasion, sentiment, thought, view - a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "I am not of your persuasion"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?"
4. ideaidea - an approximate calculation of quantity or degree or worth; "an estimate of what it would cost"; "a rough idea how long it would take"
approximation, estimate, estimation
scalage - estimation of the amount of lumber in a log
figuring, reckoning, calculation, computation - problem solving that involves numbers or quantities
credit rating, credit - an estimate, based on previous dealings, of a person's or an organization's ability to fulfill their financial commitments
dead reckoning, guessing, guesswork, guess, shot - an estimate based on little or no information
guesstimate, guestimate - an estimate that combines reasoning with guessing
overrating, overreckoning, overestimate, overestimation - a calculation that results in an estimate that is too high
underestimate, underestimation, underrating, underreckoning - an estimation that is too low; an estimate that is less than the true or actual value
5. ideaidea - (music) melodic subject of a musical composition; "the theme is announced in the first measures"; "the accompanist picked up the idea and elaborated it"
melodic theme, musical theme, theme
music - an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner
melodic line, melodic phrase, melody, tune, strain, air, line - a succession of notes forming a distinctive sequence; "she was humming an air from Beethoven"
motif, motive - a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music
statement - (music) the presentation of a musical theme; "the initial statement of the sonata"
variation - a repetition of a musical theme in which it is modified or embellished

[Lexandro]

LMAO nice attempt buddy but in your copy/paste of google you missed out the fact that IT DOES mention suggestion in the collins dictionary definition of IDEA. Editing out the point just proves you are a dullard.

Which is my point precisely. An idea about a game, put forth in the forum of the game's developer is a suggestion pure and simple. Go back to school kiddo.

[Tiwatz]

LMAO nice attempt buddy but in your copy/paste of google you missed out the fact that IT DOES mention suggestion in the collins dictionary definition of IDEA.

Which is my point precisely. An idea about a game, put forth in the forum of the game's developer is a suggestion pure and simple. Go back to school kiddo.

Look at this- We're in a forum for a video game arguing about the definition of a word simply because you don't like the idea that someone doesn't agree with you-

Then you've got to get all condescending and such? You have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've done in my life and yet you still have the gall to call me 'kiddo', and tell me to go back to school? Great way to give up all your credibility and dignity, by trolling the 1C forums.

You think I'm a dullard- I guess you haven't gotten the clues yet then- did you not read the very first post in the thread? you mean you really think I'm an idiot and you don't even know anything about me- you've read not even a dozen posts and you've already come to the conclusion that you are better than me... wow man. You really need to get out more... when was the last time you came out of your moms basement?

By the way- here's an edit for you- I'd be willing to wager a great deal of money that says I have a much higher education than you do. Even if the definitions of the two words were similar- and the aren't, what does that have to do with you being a higher and mightier person than me? Like I said.... I bet I'm far more educated than you are.

[Lexandro]

Look at this- We're in a forum for a video game arguing about the definition of a word simply because you don't like the idea that someone doesn't agree with you-

Then you've got to get all condescending and such? You have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've done in my life and yet you still have the gall to call me 'kiddo', and tell me to go back to school? Great way to give up all your credibility and dignity, by trolling the 1C forums.

You have confused me with someone who gives a **** what you think. Im not arguing, Im stating fact. And lets be clear here, you made a pointed remark to a member about not posting in your thread because you didnt like it. I simply challeged you on the fact. One which you have seen fit to try and "cheat" at (by editing out the line) when proven to be incorrect by your own hand.

PS I live in a river side apartment.
PPS and Im 31
PPPS I can tell just by your attitude and writing pattern that your American or possibly Canadian.

[dazz1971]

jesus h christ on a stick!!!

man let the guy have his thread if you dont like what he stated in his op then dont participate in the thread simple really

i think what he posted is a great idea and enjoyed reading most of this thread untill the goddamm punctuation police and the all knowing dictonary brigade show up and turn it into another dick waving thread

i think some ppls egos are getting a little out of hand (you know who you are ppl)

now if a moderator told him to post in another thread then fair enough but the first guy to jump on the high and mighty bandwagon isnt even a moderator ffs!!

you call him kiddo ?? yet you yourself in your post are acting like a spoilt brat !!!

and yes i cant spell and i dont care if you pick my post to death pointing out my mistakes i have a life and dont give a flying s...!!!

[Tiwatz]

You have confused me with someone who gives a **** what you think. Im not arguing, Im stating fact. And lets be clear here, you made a pointed remark to a member about not posting in your thread because you didnt like it. I simply challeged you on the fact. One which you have seen fit to try and "cheat" at (by editing out the line) when proven to be incorrect by your own hand.

PS I live in a river side apartment.
PPS and Im 31
PPPS I can tell just by your attitude and writing pattern that your American or possibly Canadian.

And?
I'm a combat veteran of the 1st Infantry division, US Army.
I spent 27 months in Iraq and 10 years in Germany.
I own my own house.
I own 2 SAAB 9-5's.
I am working on my Masters in Cultural Anthropology with a minor in Military History.

you can tell by my writing patterns that I'm from the US or Canada? Everyone can- we use unique spellings and speech patterns... that isn't exactly special.... all it means is that you have a couple of braincells- just don't rub them together too much, you might start a fire.


Your not going to get far with an attitude like that. This is a forum, he can post as much as he likes in any thread as long as he sticks to the rules. And his post IS on topic, as your thread is infact a suggestion that has already been done to death in the forum.

Sound familiar? Now you're just being a hypocrite, bordering on charlatan.

[play2often]

to get this back on track, i 'suggest' a level playing as The Flying Tigers, American volunteers who fought the Japanese in China, mainly using P-40s

also maybe we could play as the Russians againts the Japanese (yes they did fight each other ) along with more planes like the Lagg- 3 and Mig 3, and of course japanese planes.

oh and fyi, a mission using P-38s to hunt down admiral Yamamoto has allready been done in the PS2 game "Heroes of the Pacific"

[Tiwatz]

jesus h christ on a stick!!!

man let the guy have his thread if you dont like what he stated in his op then dont participate in the thread simple really

i think what he posted is a great idea and enjoyed reading most of this thread untill the goddamm punctuation police and the all knowing dictonary brigade show up and turn it into another dick waving thread

i think some ppls egos are getting a little out of hand (you know who you are ppl)

now if a moderator told him to post in another thread then fair enough but the first guy to jump on the high and mighty bandwagon isnt even a moderator ffs!!

you call him kiddo ?? yet you yourself in your post are acting like a spoilt brat !!!

and yes i cant spell and i dont care if you pick my post to death pointing out my mistakes i have a life and dont give a flying s...!!!

thanks, now i'll stop- I've got a headache now anyways... jeez man just trying to open a thread for ideas on the Pacific- that aren't all the stereotypes that you see in all games...

[guiltyspark]

as long as they re-create iwo jima on the new engine i will be a happy camper

[Tiwatz]

to get this back on track, i 'suggest' a level playing as The Flying Tigers, American volunteers who fought the Japanese in China, mainly using P-40s

also maybe we could play as the Russians againts the Japanese (yes they did fight each other ) along with more planes like the Lagg- 3 and Mig 3, and of course japanese planes.

oh and fyi, a mission using P-38s to hunt down admiral Yamamoto has allready been done in the PS2 game "Heroes of the Pacific"

I didn't know that about heroes of the pacific... yes the Russians did fight eachother... but not during World War Two until very near the end (the soviets didn't declare war until August 8th 1945). before World War two though, yes- A few very bloody skirmishes happened--- they were all very bad border incidents. I already had the Flying Tigers in the first post.

[Soviet Ace]

What we need is a HUGE Solomon Island, and Gilbert Island Campaign. Both of those would be SWEEEEET!! :cool:

[dazz1971]

yea i know where you are coming from mate

id like to see some carrier landings

and you could have some single player missions that use those flying boats cant remember the name of them but they were called the black cats they did spec ops night missions, that would be pretty cool say you had to fly to an island drop of some commandos then fly back to base avoiding getting spotted etc also they did search and rescue missions looking for downed pilots maybe you could have a multiplayer mission where one team has to find and locate the pilot land and rescue them before the other team finds them and captures them once one pilot was rescued/captured another could spawn at a different point on the map and the end of the game the team with the most points wins ??

[Tiwatz]

You're thinking of the PBY Catalina. The Japanese had their own versions too- the H6K and the H8K... all of them could carry bombs too.

[dazz1971]

You're thinking of the PBY Catalina. The Japanese had their own versions too- the H6K and the H8K... all of them could carry bombs too.


ahh yep thats what i was thinking of saw one once at an airshow when i was a kid the ppl who were showing it had leaflets all about the black cats always stuck with me the were pretty heroic pilots :)

[Soviet Ace]

I want to fly a Ki-100!! That would be a sweet plane to fly with. And then fly a Australian "Boomerang"? Might be an interesting plane to try out.

[beaker126]

How about some fights against some early Japanese planes, I-16s and -153s v A5Ms anyone?

[haitch40]

ok id love a pacific sequel
what i want
campaign 2 to 5 missions for each battle and the following battles

pearl harbour
wake island
coral sea
midway
guadlcannal
tarawa attol
the marshal islands
the marrianas turkey shoot
philippines particularly taffy 3's stand off with the Yamato
iwo jima
okinawa

im not bothered by single missions i like to follow a story

[play2often]

I want to fly a Ki-100!! That would be a sweet plane to fly with. And then fly a Australian "Boomerang"? Might be an interesting plane to try out.

+1 on the Commonwealth Boomerang!

[Tiwatz]

+1 Commonwealth Boomerang of Doom!

ftfy.

[play2often]

ftfy.

??????? that stand for something?

[Tiwatz]

??????? that stand for something?

It means 'fixed that for you'... look at your quote that I had above it...

[play2often]

It means 'fixed that for you'... look at your quote that I had above it...

ohhhh.....thank you i guess......