CoD vs some other sims that model Kent?

[gwpc]

Just setting aside for now the discussion about colour accuracy, placement of objects etc. Personally I find that one of the most disappointing aspects of the CoD landscape is that it suffers from the same lack of homogeneity that has always dogged the MS flightsim series. This, for me, has always been an immersion killer.
How can I 'believe' in the environment if I see trees and houses popping up before my eyes, often in the most unconvincing locations. I eventually grew to hate the word 'autogen'!

Games are put together a bit like theatre set. A number of different elements are chosen to represent certain objects and hence to try and trick us into believing that what we are seeing is real. In this respect CoD fails as miserably as does FSX. This is something that cannot be captured in screenshots.

The only flightsim (I'm sure someone will take issue with that title) that I've played which succeeds spectacularly at creating a homogeneous environment in which all elements seem interrelated, and in which you are not constantly brought back to reality by pop-ups, graphical anomalities and lags is Wing of Prey. In my opinion Gaiijin have done an amazing job at creating a beautifully harmonised game with spectacular graphics which at the same time, even on the highest setting, runs absolutely smoothly.

What's more, WoP, unlike CoD, wasn't broken when it was released, despite which the devs have produced several significant patches which are bringing out its full potential. Soon there will be a mission editor, which will negate the most common accusation against the game: lack of interesting offline content.

It gets a bit tedious hearing the same repetitive insults being thrown at WoP. If you never tried it then at least give it a go, and if you tried it but were disappointed when it was released because it wasn't as sim-like as IL-2 1446 perhaps it would be worth revisiting it now post patches. Why not supporting a serious dev team who really want to extend the experience they are offering, and who already have a solid engine upon which to build an even better game?

Can't resist a couple of shots:





Cheers, GWPC

Originally Posted by gwpc

Just setting aside for now the discussion about colour accuracy, placement of objects etc. Personally I find that one of the most disappointing aspects of the CoD landscape is that it suffers from the same lack of homogeneity that has always dogged the MS flightsim series. This, for me, has always been an immersion killer.
How can I 'believe' in the environment if I see trees and houses popping up before my eyes, often in the most unconvincing locations. I eventually grew to hate the word 'autogen'!

Games are put together a bit like theatre set. A number of different elements are chosen to represent certain objects and hence to try and trick us into believing that what we are seeing is real. In this respect CoD fails as miserably as does FSX. This is something that cannot be captured in screenshots.

The only flightsim (I'm sure someone will take issue with that title) that I've played which succeeds spectacularly at creating a homogeneous environment in which all elements seem interrelated, and in which you are not constantly brought back to reality by pop-ups, graphical anomalities and lags is Wing of Prey. In my opinion Gaiijin have done an amazing job at creating a beautifully harmonised game with spectacular graphics which at the same time, even on the highest setting, runs absolutely smoothly.

What's more, WoP, unlike CoD, wasn't broken when it was released, despite which the devs have produced several significant patches which are bringing out its full potential. Soon there will be a mission editor, which will negate the most common accusation against the game: lack of interesting offline content.

It gets a bit tedious hearing the same repetitive insults being thrown at WoP. If you never tried it then at least give it a go, and if you tried it but were disappointed when it was released because it wasn't as sim-like as IL-2 1446 perhaps it would be worth revisiting it now post patches. Why not supporting a serious dev team who really want to extend the experience they are offering, and who already have a solid engine upon which to build an even better game?

Can't resist a couple of shots:





Cheers, GWPC

Because its DM and FM suck arcade balls.

[gwpc]

Because its DM and FM suck arcade balls

Sorry, I only speak English and Italian, could you translate please?

A presto GWPC

[RocketDog]

I don't have WoP, but it would be interesting to know where CloD has a better FM because I thought it just used the old IL-2 FMs.

[winny]

The problem with WoP (I like it a lot, it's fun) is it dosn't need to do the things that CoD does.

Wop has inaccurate groundscale ( 5 or 4:1 ), inaccurate maps, inaccurate cockpits, inaccurate markings, inaccurate FM, no real engine management, inaccurate amunition... etc etc

CoD, to be taken seriously, has to tackle all of these things and get them as close to real life as they can, not just the looks. WoP can trick you into thinking you are over dover, CoD has to put you over dover..

WoP will take you there and is convincing in it's own way.. It is just not particularly realistic. I ended up interested in CoD because WoP only goes so far.

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by gwpc

Sorry, I only speak English and Italian, could you translate please?

Trust me, you don't want that translated.

[Friendly_flyer]

You guys who are more in the know:

Whan one goes about making a map like the CoD one, is it made by as sort of scripted auto appearance of objects relative to the tiles, or are objects placed by by hand in a FMB-like fashion? If it is the latter, a lot can be done letting the fan base give it a go.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer

You guys who are more in the know:

Whan one goes about making a map like the CoD one, is it made by as sort of scripted auto appearance of objects relative to the tiles, or are objects placed by by hand in a FMB-like fashion? If it is the latter, a lot can be done letting the fan base give it a go.

Speed tree is automatic. I dont know if they placed zones for trees (I imagine they did to some extent) but the idea of speed tree is that when you get to the area/zone the program procedually generates trees, all of them "unique" which means the graphical artists dont spend years modeling hundreds of tree variations. It was for example used in Oblivion. The only problem is it was never intended for a game like this, it was meant to avoid people seeing a repetition of the same tree over and over while walking in a forest were you can observe things closely. - no need in COD.

As for recording what is where, I am not sure if they generated it all beforehand and its the same for everyone, or if it is generated on the fly in COD - it woudldnt be hard to find out how it is "normally" used in that respect but atm I dont have time to look for the info. It may very well be unique on each machine and on each load (no memory/saving of state) because if a tree doesnt have a hitbox it doesnt matter to gameplay say online...

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

[QUOTE=winny;279970]The problem with WoP (I like it a lot, it's fun) is it dosn't need to do the things that CoD does.


CoD, to be taken seriously, has to tackle all of these things and get them as close to real life as they can, not just the looks. WoP can trick you into thinking you are over dover, CoD has to put you over dover..

WoP will take you there and is convincing in it's own way..QUOTE]

good enough for me.whilst i wait for COD to improve.

[slick118]

Originally Posted by Langnasen

Because its DM and FM suck arcade balls.

What a ridiculously puerile response to an interesting and articulate post. Did you miss the original disclaimer about the use of the term flightsim?

I think the original post is spot on. As a pilot who lives and flies in the southeast of England, Wings of Power is by far and away the best representation of this part of the country in any game I've seen. DM and FM aside, I look at WOP's graphics and I am instantly reminded of flying over Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and all the other counties south of London that I've seen from 2000ft up.

Landscape-wise I'm afraid CoD is a huge disappointment for me.