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+1 to what WTE_Galway said.
I would also add that Luftwaffe losses in the Battle of France were 30% higher than the Germans estimated they would be.
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What planes were the Polish Airforce getting the kills in? My understanding was the most modern fighter they had at the time was the PZL P.11, and that the retractable gear designs never reached production. I'll grant you, if you get into a turnfight with a PZL you can get yourself shot down pretty quickly, and the P.11 is around the same speed as the unloaded Stuka, but it's not something I would consider a reasonable match against a 109E. |
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Despite the fact that online IL2 servers consist mainly of fighter versus fighter combat its unlikely much of the air to air combat consisted of PZL P11 turn fighting Emils ![]() Here you go, some details: Quote:
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I am also against too much early war stuff like poland. What's so interesting about it? It's short and it's unbalanced. Even for offliners, what's the challange fighting against p11 when you have a 109? Or the other way around: what's so interesting in fighting a far supperior ennemy?
It would also be an extremly short campaign, both online and offline. I think that, for these reasons, the few ressources should be put in some other fronts |
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![]() "stomped into the dust... in record time", "It was like take off and die for the Polish and French pilots"... jesus, it was not a video game, talking like that about ppl dying defending their country in inferior machines is immature. If it was take off and die, where did those luftwaffel loses came from LOL ![]() Luftwaffel was performing like a piece of sh.t in these campaigns, when you take into account their technical and numerical superiority. 285 aircraft lost to all operational causes, poles 333, it's laughable ![]() |
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One of the things that make the Polish pilots fight heroic was that they took off knowing that they would be facing a more numerous opponents in aircraft of a more 'modern' design. To my mind this makes what they achieved even greater. Despite this, after their homeland was overrun they retained their fighting spirit and despite all odds made their way west and continued the fight from France and then England. Just at a time when England needed as many highly skilled and experienced pilots as possible. There will be those among this community that will carry on about Germany never intending to go on with Operation Sea lion. Fortunately with the help of the Polish pilots carrying on the fight from England this argument was never put to the test. |
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well, in the VOW we had a Poland 1939 campaign.
The only fact that made it "ok" for the red pilots was that in the missions were not much Bf109 (we used the E-4/B because of its lower performance) and the weird DM of the P.11 ![]() There were also two missions where the P.11s had to fight Slovakian B.534 .. funny fights. BUT, i also cant imagine that a lot of players would have fun flying, or better fighting in, a P.11 (or the polish bombers) in CoD qualitiy...at least not online. France 1940 would be something different - that was a close call. Both sides with almost equal equipment. But i doubt we will see a french campaighn from the official 1C side. Perhaps 3.party in the future. |
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Chronological releases seem kinda skewed through my eyes actually
If I've understood their plans it's going to be BOB, Korea, Moscow (, and then maybe the Med?) which seems better to my ears since the people screaming for Mustangs and early jets will get alittle something, then I will hopefully get my precious Butcher Bird with Moscow, and so on covering plane types faster than a strictly chronological plan ![]() Just think of it like this: we will get early RAF and LW first, then we'll get post and late-war U.S and North-Korean/Soviet types, then we jump back to early-mid LW and Soviet types, and from there we seem to be getting early-mid RAF(and maybe early U.S) and LW+Italy Sounds very good to me, but then again I love crap-planes as much as I love the Mustang and the Fw190D-9 ![]() And if the Med will be the next theatre from MG, then what's after that from Galba? the six-day war? the fall of Berlin? ![]() |
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