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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-11-2011, 01:44 PM
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...Just 1 thing I do not really understand as a non-native English speaker, what is a 'renegade' pilot where they talk about in the interview?
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A traitor. Someone on your own side who is fighting for the enemy.

It seems, as part of the Allied campaign, you will have to deal with a fellow pilot who is somehow found to be betraying your side.
It doesn't mean that at all!! Somebody called a renegade is not a traitor, it is just somebody who you have no control over and operates on their own agenda. A renegade is usually somebody who just disobeys orders - they were useful in a way, there were lots of RAF pilots who wanted to get at the Germans so much that they would break formation and fly off on the hunt on their own despite being told not to.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:18 PM
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It doesn't mean that at all!! Somebody called a renegade is not a traitor, it is just somebody who you have no control over and operates on their own agenda. A renegade is usually somebody who just disobeys orders - they were useful in a way, there were lots of RAF pilots who wanted to get at the Germans so much that they would break formation and fly off on the hunt on their own despite being told not to.
My definition of a traitor is a person guilty of treason or treachery, someone who is disloyal, unreliable or dangerous. Someone who disobeys orders and betrays their sovereign or country.

And in my opinion, an Allied pilot going renegade during the Battle of Britain, in the way it's been described in the interview, that is, to the point where they can be considered an enemy comparable to the Germans, could be considered such a traitor.

However, amongst all the speculation here, I said what you and others also said, that it could just be some interpersonal rivalry or personality clash or something getting out of hand.

Quoted from my second post - "Just thought I'd add, one dictionary definition of 'renegade' is - 'person who deserts a cause.' Lots of possible storylines in that sentence alone. It doesn't necessarily mean joining the opposition..."

There are lots of ways to desert a cause, including putting your personal or interpersonal issues before everything else.

I doubt they will make your squadmate 'enemy' an outright turncoat or German sympathizer. But I don't think they're just talking about characters arguing over how to engage the enemy either.

Quoted from the interview - "...In the game however you will experience exactly what the veteran experienced: unexpected hostility from your own squadmate, growing conflict between you, and finally having to make a choice in the air between two enemies, one of them painted in your own colours..."

That 'choice' sounds like which one you engage in combat. That means, in the context of a war, if you're fighting a squadmate, then you're fighting a traitor, or you are one.

I hope this all makes sense, whether you agree with it or not.

Anyway, it's all just speculation and hypothetical nonsense to me, until we get more information. Then it becomes a more straightforward form of entertainment. In any case, it's not something to take too seriously. Sorry if I caused any confusion or led anyone astray while thinking out loud here.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:44 AM
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Disobeying orders is obviously a big issue but to compare someone that disobeys orders with the Germans is just wrong(as long as their not shooting friendlies).
Ground them or remove them from the army or even throw them in jail for awhile but to kill them or sentence them to death would just be a murder committed by society.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:19 AM
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Disobeying orders is obviously a big issue but to compare someone that disobeys orders with the Germans is just wrong(as long as their not shooting friendlies).
Ground them or remove them from the army or even throw them in jail for awhile but to kill them or sentence them to death would just be a murder committed by society.
If they refuse to obey the order in the battlefield I'll shot them myself - without trial, on the spot.

That's why officers are equipped with sidearms.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:39 PM
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Been flying at Battlefield Europe WW11OL for 12 yrs, been waiting for this game for half that time, HURRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:11 PM
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i don't care what the knockers say this game looks beautiful, and i can't wait to get hold of it!!

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