1982 Falklands (Malvinas) War: a view from across the pond

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I am not impressed....the truth is that we have......the truth is that from an external point of view.....the best solution would be to.......

....give me break for Jesus' sake.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

....give me break for Jesus' sake.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I...Truth...Best. See a pattern here yet?

Look up megalomania in the dictionary. Preferably a reputable one.

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well one would expect the Mirage to be and Scooter to be at least on par with the Harrier, and whilst the Argentinians had limited range, the Royal Navy had to operate from aircraft carriers, with all the logistic constrains it carries. I dunno, many think that the Argentinians only had Pucaras, but there was more to it me thinks.

Seems you are overlooking the key weapon system that gave the British the 'unfair advantage'. Hint: it's mentioned in the article in the 1st post. Or maybe you know of some abilities the Mirage has that the Argentinian pilots weren't aware of?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

I...Truth...Best. See a pattern here yet?

Look up megalomania in the dictionary. Preferably a reputable one.

how comes we managed to have a civilised conversation on such a delicate topic so far until you show up and start with your personal attacks? Other people here take on my opinion and share theirs in a civilised manner, you instead start bullying me and others with your self-righteous and bullying manners.. What is your problem exactly? Don't you really have anything better to do?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

Seems you are overlooking the key weapon system that gave the British the 'unfair advantage'. Hint: it's mentioned in the article in the 1st post. Or maybe you know of some abilities the Mirage has that the Argentinian pilots weren't aware of?

well I'm not a jet expert, you're telling me that the key advantage was the use of Sidewinders? The Argentinians had no missile systems whatsoever on their jets?

[trashcanman]

Again, there isn't much of a "blurred story", it was a case of British settlers taking territory and kicking out Argentinian communities, so one could also argue that the British sovereignty is based on an illegal occupation.

Sternjaeger II, please could you explain exactly what Argentinian communities were kicked out of the Falklands by British settlers? Or maybe actually read some historical facts on the subject before making such comments?

As for USA help during the 1982 conflict, it was minimal. AIM-9Ls offered all aspect capability however all the SHAR sidewinder air-to-air kills were rear aspect.
The Argentinian airforce was beaten by the FAA in air-to-air due to better tactics and training. I will resist the cheap shot about who trained the Argentine airforce

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well I'm not a jet expert, you're telling me that the key advantage was the use of Sidewinders? The Argentinians had no missile systems whatsoever on their jets?

No you are not!!! ... the Argentinians had plenty of air to air missiles!!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Don't you really have anything better to do?

Yes. That's why I'm keeping the length of these posts to a minimum.

And you?

[Sternjaeger II]

wow, 19 posts and we have another keyboard hero

Anyway, in answer to your points...

Originally Posted by trashcanman

Sternjaeger II, please could you explain exactly what Argentinian communities were kicked out of the Falklands by British settlers? Or maybe actually read some historical facts on the subject before making such comments?

here's a read for you
http://www.cancilleria.gov.ar/portal...s/homeing.html

As for USA help during the 1982 conflict, it was minimal. AIM-9Ls offered all aspect capability however all the SHAR sidewinder air-to-air kills were rear aspect.
The Argentinian airforce was beaten by the FAA in air-to-air due to better tactics and training. I will resist the cheap shot about who trained the Argentine airforce

I wouldn't call that an accurate depicting of the scenario: Argentinian jet had to fly all the way to the mainland, which meant they operated at the limits of their range, that in itself is enough of a big disadvantage me thinks.. and even if you have better tactics and training (which in this specific instance could be questionable anyway) you still need something to shoot your opponents down other than cannons.

Originally Posted by trashcanman

No you are not!!! ... the Argentinians had plenty of air to air missiles!!

my observation was sarcastic, but fortunately we have you now who can enlighten us on the wonders of modern jet warfare..