Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[335th_GRAthos]

Luthier and Blacksix,

I presume you no longer read this "madness" but concentrate on testing the beta as we speak but, I will take my chances and post my question:

Will the Bombsight for the German planes (HE111, JU88 ) and the course autopilot (JU88 ) be fixed in the patch?
Because as long as we do not have the possibility to fly realistic missions with strategic and tactical objectives due to the memory leak-, bombing-, course autopilot-problems, we are stuck in quick aerial dogfights where the blue planes undoubtely rule.
And we are slowly getting fed up of the whining of the red pilots...


~S~

PS. Oh, and that exploding central tank of the Bf109 should be fixed, it is a bit shameful to fly out of a huge fireball without damage except loss of most fuel...

[furbs]

Originally Posted by kristorf

+1

Also read Stephen Bungay's 'Battle of Britain' (one of the most authoratative and respected BoB books published), a compressed version appears in zapatista's post above (well compressed mate)

I found James Holland's Battle of Britain to be a good foil to Bungay's book.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Osprey

He'll look forward to it. He is a No.401 pilot and will face you regularly should you join JG26

See you on comms

A few minutes against me and he'll learn just how easy it is to shoot down a 109. lol Everyone worrying about the lack of balance between allies and axis can rest easy now...... I am so inept I can be considered the "Balancing factor"

[svanen]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

PS. Oh, and that exploding central tank of the Bf109 should be fixed, it is a bit shameful to fly out of a huge fireball without damage except loss of most fuel...

I agree, this happens very often and must be fixed. Overall I think that the 109 is very hard to shoot down compared to when a 109 is firing at me, but perhaps it is my own poor aiming that is the problem.

But when you finally get some good hits and the planes explodes it keeps flying like nothing has happened...

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by svanen

I agree, this happens very often and must be fixed. Overall I think that the 109 is very hard to shoot down compared to when a 109 is firing at me, but perhaps it is my own poor aiming that is the problem.

But when you finally get some good hits and the planes explodes it keeps flying like nothing has happened...

Funny, an Hurricane on Atag recently cut my whole wing with a single burst while I was landing ... probably the pilot wasn't aware of my invulnerability ...

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

It is, through non rose tinted glasses, widely acknowlegded that the most superior fighter, by a margin, in 1940 was the 109. Later in the war the arms race sees the spit and 109 leap frogging each other however many many other factors must be taken into consideration. Its simply NOT who had the best plane won. As you mentioned - orders for one hampered the 109 driver late in BoB.

Yeah I don't get these guys that seem to believe that the 109 was better than the Spit at practically everything. If that were the case, which it patently isn't, then that means that the 109 pilots must've been crap to lose with such fantastic machines But we hear from the same people how good the LW pilots were compared to everyone else - something doesn't add up.............

..............and that's where blaming Goering comes in isn't it.....


You are correct Farber, the 109 was superior to the Spitfire, until the CPS and 100 octane was shoved in it (May/June 1940). Then it was all down to the engineers.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Hooves

So basically you don't have a chance against a 109 unless you have your 3 friends with you. So if my 3 friends aren't on, I'm not going to log on either, leading to others not logging on leading to a bunch of empty servers, except for the packed blue team of coarse.


I love how the realites come out of the wood work when the nerf that has just occurred benefits them. But cry foul when anything is touched on their beloved aircraft.


Realism simply will not work in an online environment. At least not the realism that 1c is apparently going for. If a single player can't log on and have half a chance of surviving 5 mins let alone getting a kill. Well guess what.... They leave and they don't come back. Like it or not that is online gaming no matter what your targeted audience. if you aren't going to somehow enforce the tactical directive of the LW, how on earth can you think that FM realism will produce anything but discontent? In this case the circumstances are as equal to if not more important than the FM.

That's why we run an historical server Hooves. The action is with the main missions, the ones that actually occurred.

[Volksieg]

As an unashamed 109 fanboy (I just think they are beautiful and have done since a very early age.), I'd have to say that 109s are superior in some ways but they do have their weaknesses also. The spitfire and hurricane have their strengths and weaknesses as well.......

Ultimately success or loss in any battle, let alone a dogfight, comes down to tactics and learning to play to those strengths and avoid those situations where your weaknesses can be exploited. Take notes! Adapt! So you can't, let's say, go into a dive without turning your plane upside down? From that you already know that us 109 pilots are going to take advantage of the fact that we can..... use that knowledge! Think of it like martial arts and use our strengths against us. (Or, if you are up against me..... just sneak up behind me and go straight for the cockpit. lol)

I'm more than happy to admit, and have done many times, that I am an awful pilot and an even worse dogfighter but I am learning and, with each flight, I get a tiny bit better.... the amount of times I have had to eject, on the rare occasion I actually have a chance to before everything goes black, has led me to believe that the 109 is far from indestructible as some on here would have you believe. Ultimately it is all down to the pilot.

I don't lose because my plane is inferior.... I lose because I'm, currently, pretty useless. IMHO some red pilots could benefit from a little introspection.

Also... this IS a simulator not an arcade game. War, generally, isn't particularly "Fair". If the "Lack of balance" disturbs you that much, I say jump into a 109 and let's see if that changes your success rate. Horrible as it is of me to say this..... but..... something tells me you won't do much better.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by zapatista

the 109's:
- could spiral climb out of reach of a chasing spitfire, the combined climb/rudder action was a unique strenght for that plane model (shape/size/wheight) during most of the war

This is totally wrong, the opposite was true. The standard escape for a Spitfire was a 120mph climbing turn to the right, which would cause the slats on the 109 to snatch, and they'd fall away in a stall.

Hell I need this implemented AT LEAST!!!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Dick Tator

Very stupid and biased remarks towards spitfire myth post...

If at year 1940 Luftwaffe fighting doctrine would allow to use Bf 109 at it's full potential as a fighterplane in Battle of Britain, there would be no discussion anymore about spitfires nor miracle of BoB. The fact was and still is the spitfire is very inferior fighter plane compared to the Bf 109. Turn radius is only minor advantage which is so easily to countermeasured in terms of dogfight.
Why somebody thinks BoB was won by Brits and Spitfires specifically must be from the myth because Germans did switch their resources from Brit front to the eastern front to set up operation Barbarossa.


Read your history (not just winners very coloured history), you might gain something of it in terms of knowledge...

If there was ever a viewpoint on the BoB that was so wholeheartedly wrong, it is this one.