Simulation or Shoot-em-up?

[meplay]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

You got it the wrong way around.

I know what he means....and its true, did you have the hardware for the first il2 when it came out? If you did, you are lucky and maybe rich? hehe

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by meplay

I know what he means....and its true, did you have the hardware for the first il2 when it came out? If you did, you are lucky and maybe rich? hehe

People have the hardware right now for a game even more intensive then cod. Its just horrible programming optimization that screws the game up, and even after that with building pop and such it doesnt even deliver.

[Zoom2136]

Originally Posted by Old_Canuck

Seems to me that a lot of folks are enjoying the sim nonetheless. Like IL-2 it might take awhile for hardware functionalility to catch up to software capabilities. Based on what others are saying, I'm still planning to download it when it's available in Canada.

It's already available, just get it online from Just Flight, that's what I did.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by DogTailRed2

I've been a fan of IL2 and waiting for this game for sooo long.
Being playing for about a month and I can't decide if COD is a genuine sim or a glorified Shoot-em-up.
To be a simulation you need to accurately depict the scenario, environment you are trying to model. I can't fly successfully over land due to FPS issues so I air-start over the channel. I'm in an aircraft that doesn't sound or fly like a front line fighter. I'm presented with radio chatter which sounds like a bad rap recording while I watch my AI steam into a bomber formation (with hyper-drive) and expend all their ammo in a single pass. I love the way 1-11's do snap wing overs when attacked. That's if they don't collide with their wingmen that is.
Then it's my turn to try and I find, due to control lag, I'm porpoising all over the sky and at the critical moment when I've actually got the hun in my sights I get the most almighty stutter and then he's gone.
So this is why, to me, COD is a Shoot-em-up because more and more I'm just setting up scenarios where I can fur-ball for a bit of fun rather than trying to immerse myself in an epic battle. In fact, sad though I say it, I'm flying COD less and less.
COD has no immersion or atmosphere. The Battle of Britain sim it aint.

Your right the sim was definitely released too soon. There is still a strong likelihood now that COD has a influx of cash that the developers will improve the sim in all areas, but it will take alot of work from the devs and alot of patience on are part. In the mean time I fly the sim to learn the CEM idiosyncrasies. My system is relatively highend and I have no problems flying and fighting over London with decent frames.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I thoroughly enjoying the detail and immersion thats been given to us in COD. The ongoing support by the developers is fantastic. Each patch is giving me better performance. I haven't had so much gaming fun and enjoyment since Pacific Fighters was released and I got into the IL2 series.

Other sims have a lot of merit like ROF and DCS:A10, but the enjoyment from something like A10 is completely different for me. A10 satisfies the procedure side of things and I'm happy if I can successfully get a LBG on target. ROF is fun and immersive. I love the WWI historic side of things, but since I've got COD the only time I've started up ROF has been to look for new patches.

Maybe if COD should have been released like A10 as a pre-purchase and access as a beta there would less of these annoying arguments from the holier-than-thou pontificating crowd. Who knows or cares?
COD is a really great sim with heaps of potential; I think it’s great just to be on the ride!

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by col123

I cant see much more effort being put into COD to be honest..i mean even after 6 years of effort and it was still released broken and bugged to a somewhat hoodwinked market, the amount of work needed to fix ALL the broken bits will take a lot more of that effort and money..i doubt 1C will invest much more time and cash trying to fix this sim...for all we know after its release to the USA market the Devs may just quietly leave it at that and move on counting their losses and turning their attention to other things with less hassle...after all thats what it appears has happened with Oleg so whos to say the whole team wont follow!.....am not saying that will happen and i hope it wont, but you never know...my confidence rating for 1C at the moment isn't very high to be honest..i cant see them wasting what little revenue they may receive on COD sales updating and patching it over the next year or so..and it wont be fixed in the next few months...its just not feasible looking at all the issues...and i don't just mean smooth and reasonable FPS....

The whole sim is lacking any coherent structure with so many quirky innuendos and strange mis matches in consistency and major bugs its a miracle they have got away with releasing it in the state it is to be honest.. I remember Il-2 and it was never as bad as COD on release!

If the plan was to drop support for COD, there would have been a world wide same day release, where they took the money and run. They certainly wouldn't have done an Eastern release with all the bad publicity that caused, then worked 24/7 for months for the western release. The plan is still to support and add on to the series for years. The early release just enfused the project with much need cash to continue work. The devs and publishers have certainly taken a serious publicity hit, but I suspect most in the community understand the process and have enough foresight to see the product improved for many years.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The plan is still to support and add on to the series for years.

Exactly. It's not nor ever was intended to be a released finished single download product. It will be followed up with later theaters of the air campaigns as it is developed.

If you own a copy you can look at aircraft menus and see the years 1940 through 1952 and there are place holders for 8 engines and all that comes with having that many. Many many controls.

As technology improves as it is already is improving exponentially the updates that will continue to follow even major ones with the newer / later years added it, probably require upgrades to my hardware. This is the nature of the beast. People ask for it and they got it. I am pretty sure I will follow their lead because I don't want to miss one episode.

[Flanker35M]

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Jagr, I know about the Allied bombing things etc. The Hurricane and Spitfire were armed with rifle caliber as well. At that time it was believed that they would be enough and you have to remember that He111 or Ju88 were developed against fighters of that time their plans were introduced..in 1930's with Gladiators etc. The rapid development of more modern planes caused them to be obsolete in speed/defense department when Spitfire/Hurricane came out.

But you could not park behind one for ages and not expect to stay without being hit. In CoD you can, kind of gone from IL-2's extreme of sniper gunners to CoD's blind idiots behind the guns. In EAW you could engage bomber formations with proper tactics and survive, but if parked behind you were dead or damaged. In B17 II also applied, used head-on attacks to kill B17's with minimal damage on me.

CoD has the potential and is being patched, hopefully a lot before US release, so the future looks not so bad. But until then I am off to other games like World Of Tanks etc. as they simply just run fine and are fun. CoD will be when ready.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by DogTailRed2

I've been a fan of IL2 and waiting for this game for sooo long.
Being playing for about a month and I can't decide if COD is a genuine sim or a glorified Shoot-em-up.
To be a simulation you need to accurately depict the scenario, environment you are trying to model. I can't fly successfully over land due to FPS issues so I air-start over the channel. I'm in an aircraft that doesn't sound or fly like a front line fighter. I'm presented with radio chatter which sounds like a bad rap recording while I watch my AI steam into a bomber formation (with hyper-drive) and expend all their ammo in a single pass. I love the way 1-11's do snap wing overs when attacked. That's if they don't collide with their wingmen that is.
Then it's my turn to try and I find, due to control lag, I'm porpoising all over the sky and at the critical moment when I've actually got the hun in my sights I get the most almighty stutter and then he's gone.
So this is why, to me, COD is a Shoot-em-up because more and more I'm just setting up scenarios where I can fur-ball for a bit of fun rather than trying to immerse myself in an epic battle. In fact, sad though I say it, I'm flying COD less and less.
COD has no immersion or atmosphere. The Battle of Britain sim it aint.

So basically it's because of poor performance that you're not enjoying it? I can very much understand where you're coming from if that's the case.

However, there are many people that are enjoying good performance with this sim (and yes, it's very much a sim) and are having a lot of fun with it too.
Okay, the dodgy AI can get annoying smetimes and the lack of comms is an issue, but to me when I'm up there flying, I'm as immersed as I've ever been in a sim.

Even over London, higher up, it's playable for me and I certainly don't have a monster rig.
Just the other day I set up a mission where I had to take off and intercept 20 Dorniers bombing the city, complete with dozens of flak batteries defending the city, and although there were several moments where the game stuttered badly and the frames rates dropped well below 30, overall I had a lot of fun playing the mission.
Now fair enough, it wasn't really an accurate depiction of a real bombing raid over London since the bomber formations were much larger normally, but still. In time hopefully that number will change from 20 to 100 bombers, plus escorts, via a combination of more efficient game code and better hardware.

If the performance issues are sorted out, I think you will change your opinion.

Just out of interest, what are your system specs and settings?

[robtek]

I really don't understand why people, which have issues with CoD, almost always have to promote another game??
Especially if those other games already had (and mostly needed) some time to ripen to their actual state.
It is like comparing a prototype racecar to a Taxi.
It will also have the same outcome should they race against in a few months.