Friday 2009-11-20 Screenshots Update discussion thread

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

I have another question. Now for Italian side
On some photos I see Italian fighters using in BoB with yellow nose. Was it for all Italian fighters or just for some part?

I passed on your Q. to some of the best experts in Italy ...

As far as I know, the directive of the Regia Aeronautica to paint the fighters nose in yellow was effective - in all war theaters - from early spring to october 1941, therefore it was probably used in the last period by the Italian BoB expeditionary airforce (CAI), which ceased operations on April 15th 1941.

I don't know if it was used before spring 1941 by any CAI groups, but the super-experten will soon pop in ..


Bye,
Insuber

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by JVM

They were High Explosive bombs. They kept this color until the US-made HE bombs also changed color toward olive Drab (presumably somewhere in 1942).

Practice british bombs were white.

you may find interesting info in this page:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/britord/bomb/cat-0004.htm

and subsequent pages...

JVM

Beat me to it

Learned about that when I made the update for the British Ordnance in IL-2 and used the same source.

That one will answer all your questions Oleg.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by genbrien

how do you know.... look at the mods that are made this days.... nobody tought that IL2 was '' that modable''

I don't, that's why I said 'probably'.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by AdMan

same ballpark!? not modeling the pilot seat would be a sin

Is I said in the post it is the sam ballpark for ME.

I don't really understand this mentality of saying that what is important to person x is not REALLY important because it's not important for ME.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by JVM

They were High Explosive bombs. They kept this color until the US-made HE bombs changed color from yellow toward olive Drab (in March 1942). The british HE bombs color was also changed for olive drab then.

Practice british bombs were white.

you may find interesting info in this page:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/britord/bomb/cat-0004.htm

and

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/ordnance/index.htm

and subsequent pages...

JVM

Thank you very much!
That means that we will need one the same bomb later painted by other way.... not so good...mean for coding

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Insuber

I passed on your Q. to some of the best experts in Italy ...

As far as I know, the directive of the Regia Aeronautica to paint the fighters nose in yellow was effective - in all war theaters - from early spring to october 1941, therefore it was probably used in the last period by the Italian BoB expeditionary airforce (CAI), which ceased operations on April 15th 1941.

I don't know if it was used before spring 1941 by any CAI groups, but the super-experten will soon pop in ..


Bye,
Insuber

Ok, thanks. Waiting.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

Exactly. It's not that modeling the pilot is "easy". Although, trust me, it is not going to be easy. It's that it takes time from more important/valuable things that this sim should offer. Remember the scope of what Oleg and his team are trying to do right now. It's a basic backbone to which other things will eventually be added. Right now there is a timetable. Oleg needs this to be released no later than 2010. It's not possible to animate each and every different pilot for every plane to press buttons on the panel or move his body with your 6DOF set, or fight frantically to bail out, within this time frame. If he were to focus on this, much more important things would be forgotten, such as FM, FM, AI. This is what will make the sim last, in my opinion. If these elements are not top of the line, then SoW will end up in bargain bins within a year. The most important thing right now is this basic code to which our goodies will be added to later by Oleg and 3rd parties; if it's not done right this time in the first installment, the BoB, then it will doom the sim, and God knows I won't play IL-2 forever.

I don't think anyone has mentioned that the pilot should press every button, pick his nose and scratch his groins while flying. Just hold on to the stick and maybe touch a throttle every now and then if we would have that luxury.

No need to slander suggestions even if you're not for them.

[whatnot]

A few noob questions which I aim not to raise as intensive discussions of wether they are needed or not as the pilot model discussion did. These are probably already answered in some of the threads and by searching I found a quite a few threads but no real conclusion:

1) Clickable cockpit

First check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLkfx6QxLfg

I have always liked the idea of a clickable cockpit and after seeing the video I started drooling of my own powerglove.

2) Infantry in the battlefield

I would love the possibility of strafing infantry masses in the battlefield but have seen comments that it's a flight sim not FPS etc. But as strafing infantry was as far as I've understood a normal action in WW2 I want to ask.

So could some of you vets summarize the discussion and dev's conclusion on these topics. And if these are sore wounds already debated billion times I want to appologize in advance. I by no means want to create a big fuzz and start useless debate if the topic is already covered.

Also links to appropriate threads would be quite sufficient.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Ok, thanks. Waiting.

Check P.M.

What Insuber says is correct. At the beginning you can see G-50 and Cr-42 without yellow nose. Later they were all painted with RLM GELB 04 (German yellow).

[Abraxa]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

I have another question. Now for Italian side
On some photos I see Italian fighters using in BoB with yellow nose. Was it for all Italian fighters or just for some part?

What the others said....

Since we're on the Italian birds, time ago I sent you and Alex (if I remember correctly) all the informations that I could gather (thx also to Pag and Ferdinando d'Amico) on the camouflage of the Br 20, colour picts included.
The 3D model is really stunning, but I'm sorry to say that the camouflage is still wrong, if not in the colour tones (the RLMs look to be those that we suggested), at least in the pattern of the mottling.

I pointed out the camo problem but I received no answer.
You still have my email, I guess. Feel free to contact me in case you need more details and help.