BETA PATCH v.1.08.18956 - Bug thread

[nakedsquirrel]

There are several major bugs that have been around since the release of the game, and this is still one of them.

Originally, this would most quickly occur when you flew near a formation of 3+ 2 engine German (player) bombers. Don't ask me why it didn't affect the Blenhiem, but it just didn't. It only affected the Ju88, Bf110, and He111 (I didn't have the opportunity to fly the BR20 in formation enough to know if it affected it or not). This would also occur in dogfights with 4-5 player flown single-seat planes, but it didn't always happen.

At any rate, the game would slowly drop FPS until the game slowed to a .000001 fps and then the game would crash and we would get a launcher.exe error in windows.

About 3 or 4 patches ago, this was changed. Now we do not get the launcher.exe error, but if you try to fly a large bomber group, someone wil have an FPS drop below 1 fps and stays there. About 2 patches ago we tried this with a group of ~7 He111's and we lost about 3-4 players because of launcher crashes or FPS drops. Also, we still found this in dogfights with 4-5 planes.

Anyhow, the video below shows the same FPS drop I would normally get when flying in a tight bomber formation. There may have been a Ju88 in view distance, but I did not see it. I do know that there was a dogfight roughly 5-6km away from me when I filmed this video.

I only notice this type of bug in multiplayer, I have never been able to re-create it in singleplayer. I've also never noticed it when diving on AI controlled planes in multiplayer. I've attacked a formation of over 12 He111 AI planes with a steady ~40fps.

VIDEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWySJ...ature=youtu.be

-Another major bug that has been around since release is 'ghosts.' We believe it has something to do with de-spawning AI flights. When the game was first released, 'ghosts' were actually pilots/crew members sitting in mid -air where an AI flight had passed by. Now, there are no longer people sitting in mid air, but we still render the distance render dot of an object. When you approach this (what used to be an AI flight) there is nothing there. It is just a distance dot. When you get close, it disappears, but after you pass by and look back, the dot is there again at a distance. To my knowledge, this only occurs in multiplayer.



-The last one is just a graphical problem. Running at a high resolution is a hindrance in the game because when you see a contact at a distance and zoom in, it appears smaller (because you are rendering 1 pixel). However, if you are rendering at a low resolution, you can easily see contacts at a distance. The worst is that bombers, boats, and balloons seem to explode from a small do to a 3d object. Also, clouds seem to magically appear at a distance of ~5000m away. Rendering needs some work. And something especially needs to be done for ground object rendering. It is impossible for player bombers to see and line up on a target for a level bomb because they do not render ground objects until they are within 5000m. So for a bomber trying to hit a factory complex at 5000m, you are literally over the target by the time you can render it.

Because of the scale of the game, I would suggest allowing the mission builder to designate objects that will forcibly render at a distance.

[alado]

where are tanks destroyed?? if you kills tanks, there are only shadows...... seems that the maximum of the developers is: if it fails, remove it

[Steuben]

Originally Posted by nakedsquirrel

There are several major bugs that have been around since the release of the game, and this is still one of them.

Originally, this would most quickly occur when you flew near a formation of 3+ 2 engine German (player) bombers. Don't ask me why it didn't affect the Blenhiem, but it just didn't. It only affected the Ju88, Bf110, and He111 (I didn't have the opportunity to fly the BR20 in formation enough to know if it affected it or not). This would also occur in dogfights with 4-5 player flown single-seat planes, but it didn't always happen.

At any rate, the game would slowly drop FPS until the game slowed to a .000001 fps and then the game would crash and we would get a launcher.exe error in windows.

About 3 or 4 patches ago, this was changed. Now we do not get the launcher.exe error, but if you try to fly a large bomber group, someone wil have an FPS drop below 1 fps and stays there. About 2 patches ago we tried this with a group of ~7 He111's and we lost about 3-4 players because of launcher crashes or FPS drops. Also, we still found this in dogfights with 4-5 planes.

Anyhow, the video below shows the same FPS drop I would normally get when flying in a tight bomber formation. There may have been a Ju88 in view distance, but I did not see it. I do know that there was a dogfight roughly 5-6km away from me when I filmed this video.

I only notice this type of bug in multiplayer, I have never been able to re-create it in singleplayer. I've also never noticed it when diving on AI controlled planes in multiplayer. I've attacked a formation of over 12 He111 AI planes with a steady ~40fps.

VIDEO:

-Another major bug that has been around since release is 'ghosts.' We believe it has something to do with de-spawning AI flights. When the game was first released, 'ghosts' were actually pilots/crew members sitting in mid -air where an AI flight had passed by. Now, there are no longer people sitting in mid air, but we still render the distance render dot of an object. When you approach this (what used to be an AI flight) there is nothing there. It is just a distance dot. When you get close, it disappears, but after you pass by and look back, the dot is there again at a distance. To my knowledge, this only occurs in multiplayer.



-The last one is just a graphical problem. Running at a high resolution is a hindrance in the game because when you see a contact at a distance and zoom in, it appears smaller (because you are rendering 1 pixel). However, if you are rendering at a low resolution, you can easily see contacts at a distance. The worst is that bombers, boats, and balloons seem to explode from a small do to a 3d object. Also, clouds seem to magically appear at a distance of ~5000m away. Rendering needs some work. And something especially needs to be done for ground object rendering. It is impossible for player bombers to see and line up on a target for a level bomb because they do not render ground objects until they are within 5000m. So for a bomber trying to hit a factory complex at 5000m, you are literally over the target by the time you can render it.

Because of the scale of the game, I would suggest allowing the mission builder to designate objects that will forcibly render at a distance.

Actually this is the last big issue with performance! But it is a game breaker!

[jf1981]

Pefroemance of the Hurricane, how's it we can hardly rise to 17'000 and reaching 120 IAS while the expected IAS at 20'000 is close from 230 and we'd reach 30'000 ft ?

Please finally get rid the aircraft and graphic performances, it's completely unbalanced against actual 109 and we can't focus on the flying when it so often gets less than 1 fps ...

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by nakedsquirrel

There are several major bugs that have been around since the release of the game, and this is still one of them.

Originally, this would most quickly occur when you flew near a formation of 3+ 2 engine German (player) bombers. Don't ask me why it didn't affect the Blenhiem, but it just didn't. It only affected the Ju88, Bf110, and He111 (I didn't have the opportunity to fly the BR20 in formation enough to know if it affected it or not). This would also occur in dogfights with 4-5 player flown single-seat planes, but it didn't always happen.

At any rate, the game would slowly drop FPS until the game slowed to a .000001 fps and then the game would crash and we would get a launcher.exe error in windows.

About 3 or 4 patches ago, this was changed. Now we do not get the launcher.exe error, but if you try to fly a large bomber group, someone wil have an FPS drop below 1 fps and stays there. About 2 patches ago we tried this with a group of ~7 He111's and we lost about 3-4 players because of launcher crashes or FPS drops. Also, we still found this in dogfights with 4-5 planes.

Anyhow, the video below shows the same FPS drop I would normally get when flying in a tight bomber formation. There may have been a Ju88 in view distance, but I did not see it. I do know that there was a dogfight roughly 5-6km away from me when I filmed this video.

I only notice this type of bug in multiplayer, I have never been able to re-create it in singleplayer. I've also never noticed it when diving on AI controlled planes in multiplayer. I've attacked a formation of over 12 He111 AI planes with a steady ~40fps.

VIDEO:

-Another major bug that has been around since release is 'ghosts.' We believe it has something to do with de-spawning AI flights. When the game was first released, 'ghosts' were actually pilots/crew members sitting in mid -air where an AI flight had passed by. Now, there are no longer people sitting in mid air, but we still render the distance render dot of an object. When you approach this (what used to be an AI flight) there is nothing there. It is just a distance dot. When you get close, it disappears, but after you pass by and look back, the dot is there again at a distance. To my knowledge, this only occurs in multiplayer.



-The last one is just a graphical problem. Running at a high resolution is a hindrance in the game because when you see a contact at a distance and zoom in, it appears smaller (because you are rendering 1 pixel). However, if you are rendering at a low resolution, you can easily see contacts at a distance. The worst is that bombers, boats, and balloons seem to explode from a small do to a 3d object. Also, clouds seem to magically appear at a distance of ~5000m away. Rendering needs some work. And something especially needs to be done for ground object rendering. It is impossible for player bombers to see and line up on a target for a level bomb because they do not render ground objects until they are within 5000m. So for a bomber trying to hit a factory complex at 5000m, you are literally over the target by the time you can render it.

Because of the scale of the game, I would suggest allowing the mission builder to designate objects that will forcibly render at a distance.

i hope you keep reporting these problems in detail in the bug report threads (and on the other fanbase "bug report forum"), because it is the only way it will be eventually addressed

some other players (like me) can only now start to look into these types of problems/bugs because the latest patch finally seems to have improved performance significantly, and previously this was prevented us from using the sim at all

so hang in there, identify the problems exactly, document it with screenshots and crash reports as appropriate, and then we do have the hope of it being addressed "soonish"

[JG4_Bendwick]

This is very interesting.
When zoom in and out very often I get a "Launcher exe" crash.
This happens very often when I bomb by LOFTE but I also see in
the Me 109 from time to time.
I think this is very important, but unfortunately I have no crash log.

PS: the view from 4000m to a destination is very bad because they are too late!
so fast man can no longer correct.

thx JG4_Widukind

[Jam66es]

If someone knows a hint, I'll appreciate.