SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Should people be able to own anti-tank missiles, or SAMs? Is there a limit? If so who decides where that limit is?

I don't know about these other guys because I can't speak for them but I'll raise my hand. I want them. I want'em all available. I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it.

If I lived in a 3rd world country trust me...I'd have an S-300 and some Russian tanks. Why? Because they're willing to sell them and I want to buy them.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

I don't know about these other guys because I can't speak for them but I'll raise my hand. I want them. I want'em all available. I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it.

First question. Why would you want an anti-tank missile or a SAM in the USA?

"I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it."
All societies have limits to personal freedom. The right of an individual to do what they want is balanced against the potential harm that that individual doing what they want could cause other people. So, I may want to get totally drunk and then drive home in my car. Society says I can't.

Or I might want to get off my head with a certain cocktail of drugs paid for out of my own hard-earned cash. Society says I can't.

There are lots of limits. None of us is totally free.

Same with the guns (or heavier weaponry) issue. Just because someone WANTS it doesn't mean that it's sensible or desirable from a wider perspective for them to have it.

What about the nukes?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by kendo65

First question. Why would you want an anti-tank missile or a SAM in the USA?

"I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it."
All societies have limits to personal freedom. The right of an individual to do what they want is balanced against the potential harm that that individual doing what they want could cause other people. So, I may want to get totally drunk and then drive home in my car. Society says I can't.

Or I might want to get off my head with a certain cocktail of drugs paid for out of my own hard-earned cash. Society says I can't.

There are lots of limits. None of us is totally free.

You can do all of the above - just make sure you don't get caught.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by kendo65

First question. Why would you want an anti-tank missile or a SAM in the USA?

"I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it."
All societies have limits to personal freedom. The right of an individual to do what they want is balanced against the potential harm that that individual doing what they want could cause other people. So, I may want to get totally drunk and then drive home in my car. Society says I can't.

Or I might want to get off my head with a certain cocktail of drugs paid for out of my own hard-earned cash. Society says I can't.

There are lots of limits. None of us is totally free.

Same with the guns (or heavier weaponry) issue. Just because someone WANTS it doesn't mean that it's sensible or desirable from a wider perspective for them to have it.

What about the nukes?

what you describe isnt freedom...just another misconception perpetuated by the media....


see in a free society unless you infringe or encroach on the rights of others you aught to be left alone....

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

Come on, you know the difference between games and reality.

[F19_Klunk]

Hmm the more I read this "guns don't people, people kill people", the more pissed off I get. FOR ME (i am talking about ME here) it is an absurd asinine argument .No doubt whoever said it first thought it was quite profound...

So let’s see, someone needs to defend the poor innocent little gun.. It’s not the gun’s fault that it falls into the hands of criminals, lunatics, suicides and mauronns who accidentally shoot their own foot off or worse. The fact is the way you CONTROL misuse of guns is to limit people’s access to them and control by legislation, their allowed use of them in a CICILIZED society.

I wonder if u guys a pro nuclear weapons. "nukes don't kill people. people kill people" . Why not drop all the regulations around nuclear weapons?

I can somewhat understand some arguments that some people put forward.. but that phrase.. just.. pisses .. me..off.

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

We were slaughtering eachother for thousands of years without guns.

i REALLY hope we have evolved as societies... during those tousands of years....

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

i REALLY hope we have evolved as societies... during those tousands of years....

Unfortunately we didn't. Just reading the news is enough to realize we are the same savages we always were.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

In a wierd way, I follow that logic. I don't mind flying about in my WW2 plane trying to live out my Walter Mittyesque fantasies, but I can't really enjoy games like CoD (the other CoD) or Modern Warfare. I know it's pixels on a monitor, but I don't get enjoyment out of it. I've played with my nephew and have fun when I'm with him, but the gaming experience itself? Naaaah.


I don't know if this is a wives tail spun by pundits to bolster their side of the argument, but if there are over ten thousand laws and regulations regarding gun ownership in the U.S., then why is there need for more gun contriol?

Regarding people like the man who shot Gabby Giffords or the Virginia Tech mass shooter? I think mental health advocacy would be a better solution to that particular problem than more gun restriction. Today, we just discard the mentally ill without any forethought to the consequences of the sufferer or society in general. I don't want to impinge on the personal freedoms, but many aren't getting the care they need because there are few measures in place to assure proper care. Many people, after the fact, reported that there was strange behaviour in both these individuals, and that if there had been measures in place these tragedies could have potentially been avoided.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?

they are doing the same thing hitler, and mao have done....simply imposing their views and controlling others...after all dictators across the world and throughout history have also believed in disarming the public....thus leaving them defenseless....

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by tk471138

...after all dictators across the world and throughout history have also believed in disarming the public....thus leaving them defenseless....

Please give us an example of such a dictator.