making CloD a success

[Madfish]

1. A few bickering folks on the forums are all good and well but it's by far not the number of sales necessary to keep such a product alive.
   
2. I don't love steam but the fact is that Steam has everything you need: chat, global chat, friendlist, groups, workshop, voice chat based on the high quality skype silc codec with amazing echo and noise cancellation, even an in-game overlay chat...
   Hands down: hyperlobby, while it was neat, wouldn't reach that level in 10 years of development.
   
3. The thing that will make CloD a success is better controls / interface mixed with a real emotional and well-scripted campaign.

[Ataros]

Speaking of HL alternatives:

Please join this Steam group http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cliffsofdoveril2

Than click "enter chat" on the right hand side. Here you have a global chat where you can ask for help, recruit, etc.

This needs to be advertised first of cause by adding to forum signatures and making posts on other forums.

I believe you can join a game your friend is playing via the Steam group similar to HL.

HL is great imo but its success was based on original IL-2 MP limitations (no ingame browser at all). I do not know how to make it popular again because it makes life of server owners a bit more difficult (auto restart issues plus a long prefix in front of server name). If it becomes more user (server-owner) friendly maybe it can have more success. Once I sent HL instructions to Repka servers admin. He did not even reply as it is a bit too complicated for his busy schedule.

[pupo162]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

That's what happens when you start a COOP. You fly and meet in the middle.

And that was the secret for the COOP's. unlike dogfight matches and the new "coops", we knew that we were goign to fly, take a 10 min flight a 20 min fight and get back to base. And we loved it. the fact everyone was timed ensured massive fights would happen, every single time.

trust me, being dynamic is cool and i like it too. but sometimes i just want the borigness of knowing i'm having a fight

Oh, and about coop, it was a nice tool to be able too see what was going on without having too start the game. It was the easiest way to recruit members from squad, and get help with game problems. Having a Chat inside COD wont do, because when i launch COD, im going in to play, but when i launch HL im just keeping it there for the company, and help out if one needs it.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

We've been through this Alpha. I've flown plenty of em. I've used HL for years. If you read what I said (what you even quoted) you'd see why I loved HL.

But the real war never started at the same time, both sides never knew exactly where the other team was. That's what happens when you start a COOP. You fly and meet in the middle. A dynamic setting is one in which anything can happen at any time. We fly coops inside of this type of situation on coms on a daily basis.

Thats the basic difference between CooP fliers and DF server fliers.

There should be the option for both modes as just as many pilots dont like DF as those that dont like CooP.

Whats stopping the switch over for many is no simple makes sense click n fly CooP mode.

[BH_woodstock]

if it was not for steam dropping the servers I think there would be more confidence with people using Hyperlobby.Has there been any progress in steams commitment to Cliffs of Dover support?How long has it been since the servers have been down?
I dont see Dover ever getting Global chat.And with all the problems we have it would sure help.that is the most important thing.If it had Global chat i would have had my game dialed in a long time ago and would be flying every single night and have a squad going by now.The numbers we see online would be tenfold
Yes hyperlobby may be old but there is a saying where i come from
"If it aint broke.....dont fix it"

And it has been updated to support Dover.


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[JG5_emil]

The lack of chat is a big issue.

The lack of CO-OPs is a killer.

I really hope they look in to the latter at the very least.

[JG53Harti]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

The lack of chat is a big issue.

The lack of CO-OPs is a killer.

I really hope they look in to the latter at the very least.

+1

[SNAFU]

You can easily combine the DF style with the coop style with the mission menu, which is claimed to be working after the latest patch.

That existed already over 6 months ago. You just need to find enough player interested into that kind of gameplay.

And there lies the problem.

There are servers which already use the mission menu call up of missions on dogfight servers. Methinks "king1hw" is trying that concept with introducing a "new server" in the online section.

Unfortunatly I cannot spent my time into further developement of this at the moment, due limited sparetime and other priorities.

And frankly spoken, the game is not in the state yet in which you could fly coop-style online wars anyhow. The network issues are too dominant to use significant AI online, the crashes are too regularly experienced by a too many players to motivate squads to dedicate their time. It is simply too frustrating to organize a squad of 12 pilots bring them in formation, just to see that the half of the group, has to quit because of CTDs midflight.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Thats the basic difference between CooP fliers and DF server fliers.

A BASIC coop yes, A ONLINE WAR coop no. The second one has so much more to coop flying that it is not even funny that Bliss makes such a reference. Two different animals those two are.

[David Hayward]

I don't understand the complaints about no Coop. What can you do in coop style missions that you can't do with the current mission builder?

BTW, I never see anyone on the RoF coop servers.