Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[335th_GRAthos]

We all took a concious decision, to have 1C concentrate their ressources to make a better graphics model.
It is therefore beyond doubt that we will have to wait for the graphics model to get finalised and afterwards, the long, hard discussion about the flight models will start.

I have always avoided discussions because speed is only one parameter; There is a lot more which plays a role in a dogfight.

What I would really like to see is that somebody downloads the CoD plane parameters and creates an IL2Compare like we had for IL2!





If we have that, we will have the required transparency to start discussions.

As I had commented in the improvements thread months ago, watching the "wing load" responsiveness of the airplanes (can be seen by the planes flying reasonably well with half-wing sawn off) makes me believe that, as far as the FM of COD is concerned, "speed" is one small piece of the puzzle.

~S~

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by zapatista

what a load of bollocks !

where have you ever read/heard anything like that about the historical BoB ? do you really think that allied command told their fighters "dont fly below 6000 meters guys, or the very superior performing 109's will make mince meat of you" or "let all bomber formations get through if they fly below 6000 meters, because we'd like to save your planes for later in the war and we'll try and avoid you engaging the 109's" ? you'r making poor excuses for major technical errors/bugs in the game and suggesting "gaming the game" is somehow a solution

the whole point of a SIMULATION of anything that claims to be a ww2 plane sim is that it should as close as possible SIMULATE the performance relationship between those main fighter aircraft. to willfully handicap the red side and then pretend "its the pilot that matters, not the plane" is a load of nonsense.

Relax! I'm on your side. I'm just tired of the whole thing. I've moved past the 'anger' stage of this whole debate and moved into 'acceptance'.

There is very little Battle of Britain in this Battle of Britain simulator. I was hoping it would get there. I'm now completely convinced that 1C guys are pretty much just tired of the whole debacle and are anxious to just move on.

After this patch is released, I'm pretty sure they're going to be full steam ahead on Battle of Moscow. I can't see them releasing another big patch for Cliffs of Dover before that game is out and they can marry the two titles together somehow.

So what we have after this patch is pretty much what we're going to have until the next game. I'm pretty much convinced of it. So we accept that this isn't a real Battle of Britain simulator and just get on with it. The game is still fun! With a patch that fixes the crashing (fingers crossed) it'll be even more fun. We might even be able to stage some real Battle of Britain type campaigns. But I'm sure that 1C is done with this theatre. I don't want to be sure, but I am.

So as much as I want to be optimistic and fired up about making changes to correct errorsand whatnot, I just can't see it happening. The direction that they've taken with the FM adjustments seem to suggest there's no interest in modelling the RAF aircraft with the same degree of fidelity as the German stuff. Possibly because they really honestly don't care that much about them. After all, the German planes are the ones that matter for Battle of Moscow, not the RAF ones.

It's our tough luck. And so, to deal with it, we have to make and use tactics that suit the aircraft we have, not the one we want. I'm pretty sure that the Blue players aren't using historical tactics for the most part. Why should we?