hello luthier!

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

but they have just released a title they know is buggy as hell, christ, look at the sound bug, its not fit for purpose,

Who is "they"? Who are you blaming?

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

no bliss, i aint forgot that, i remind myself and others of that almost every day, but is that acceptable, to have to wait months?? i also remember the uproar over at that other flight sims forums, are you telling me luthier and his gang didnt have the time even then to look at those forums, and learn from their mistakes?? bliss, the game has massive deep lying issues, yer they say they will be fixed and have recently confirmed their continued support, but they have just released a title they know is buggy as hell, christ, look at the sound bug, its not fit for purpose, i dont see their business model, is it "buy it now and we will fix it later, but dont complain if you dont hear anything from us while we are fixing it?" from your point bliss id love to hear, you have spent lots of time trying to fix it, build a mission that works, well done for that, but its still a million miles off of a saleable product.

What do you expect? Would you rather have these guys make a game like a first person shooter that's only content is the different amounts of weapons you can fit yourself with and then sell it to the masses for large profit? I can't even begin to imagine the sheer amount of research involved for a WWII sim let alone the complexities they are trying to do with this one. And those complexities are 10x that of some Call of Duty 15 or w/e # it's on now. There's more to compute in a spitfire cockpit than the entire character in a Call of Duty game. Those MASSIVE companies that release a simple FPS still release games with bugs and they have unlimited resources and work force. A flight sim, especially this one, is soo much more complex, yet is sold to a very very small community of people. In other words, the profits are nowhere near (if anything) to where a console crap game or a PC FPS is.

And for having deep lying issues (as you call it) this sim can have 1000x more planes and objects in a mission than ROF could ever imagine. I'd say the foundation for a solid immersive flight sim engine is there. I'd much rather have a sound bug currently, or a prop pitch lever that's backwards, or an FM problem than have the entire foundation of the flight sim with an extremely limited game engine which can't be changed.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

no bliss, i aint forgot that, i remind myself and others of that almost every day, but is that acceptable, to have to wait months??

Yes, it is. I don`t know what you think, but I figure that since it`s the rule that with big releases such as Crysis or NFS, one has to wait a few months to get a patch that presents really small fixes. The second patch for SHIFT2 Unleashed is remains to be seen for example. Now 1C team making CloD is maybe ten, twenty times smaller than that. You get me?

i also remember the uproar over at that other flight sims forums, are you telling me luthier and his gang didnt have the time even then to look at those forums, and learn from their mistakes??

From the update threads it is obvious that all listed bugs have been taken into account by 1C. Jugding from that, it is also obvious they visit these forums from time to time.

bliss, the game has massive deep lying issues, yer they say they will be fixed and have recently confirmed their continued support, but they have just released a title they know is buggy as hell, christ, look at the sound bug, its not fit for purpose, i dont see their business model, is it "buy it now and we will fix it later, but dont complain if you dont hear anything from us while we are fixing it?" from your point bliss id love to hear, you have spent lots of time trying to fix it, build a mission that works, well done for that, but its still a million miles off of a saleable product.

It`s an undeniable fact that this game has few massive issues like you say. But since the team is small, I`d give them a little more time. It`s a small team, by EA standards you can say VERY small. And please remember that anything releasing outside Russia is Ubisoft buisness model.

[Heliocon]

I have to say but Luthier's post is almost borderline offensive in how out of touch it is. As others pointed out, saying that you are working on a expansion/next in the series when the current one is still in a beta state, while making an excuse (small team) for its state its pretty frustrating. Maybe they need to re-sort their priorities, hell at this point they should give the people here who spent $ on the game and have been playing a payed beta the expansion for FREE. What a mess (told you so, because I just have to rub it in ).

But I wont spend another cent on anything from them until COD is performing at the level it should, and has the amount of quality content that at minimum a game should have at release (hell this release is worse than most if not all betas I have been in!).

[FS~Phat]

What I think is sad is that things have gotten to this point that it's really hard for anyone new to see any reason to pursue or follow this new series. If new people do pick it up, its even harder to find anyone willing to help sort out some problems for fear of being branded a fanboy or being personally attacked.

The true supporters have already made their points, several times over and they have a right to be a little miffed. Some of it was constructive for a while, but I have seen almost nothing but developer bashing over the last few weeks which is not at all constructive.

The game will be fixed in time though, just like the original series, as has been explained several time now. If you don't like it, put it on the shelf for a while and go have a beer with your mates like i did.
If you really feel that bad about it, sure ask for your money back. BUT dont continually whine and complain about the same things over and over. WE GET IT. Some of you aren't happy and you just have to let the whole world know it, continuously. Guess what, its not all about you!

Just to put this into perspective though, this is a GAME, its not about a life saving miracle cure for cancer or world hunger.

12Million people are on the verge of starvation in Somalia alone as the UN has just declared another massive famine in Africa and some of you are behaving like you are the ones in a famine. Get over it. If you really are the passionate series supporters you say you are, then help to create an environment where people actually want to come for support to help get the game running well.

We all know what doesnt quite work right by now, but the game does work well enough for most now with the exception of the sound bug in MP. Almost all peoples problems can be solved if people weren't so pig headed and trying to run everything on high or above their system capability. Just drop a few settings down! If you can't get it running well enough, i feel sorry for you, but im sick of the negativity around here and hope the mods keep up the vigilance on the banning and moderation until this place is back to normal.

Im not surprised the devs backed away a little from the volatility of the forums over the past few weeks, but im also a little disappointed we didnt get some updates at least fortnightly. Being in the technology business and being exposed to business application development my self, I know not a lot can really change that much in a week any way. Fortnightly updates would probably be more realistic, with a major update with each patch.

I look forward to the long road ahead with this exceptional game and will remain a supporter as I love both the original series and the vision of the developers for this new platform and Im prepared to give them a bit of lee way for such a massive leap in realism.

[hiro]

good post FS


I think the people are getting so upset is because this release really is bad compared to il-2 original's release.

And because of the expectancy and promise of a delivery, makes alot of people get angry.

And the devs of Il-2 know how to make greatness and awesomeness but suddenly are staring in the face of fail.

People think its unnatural for the guys n gals who made Il-2 to fail at Clod. Like next morning, the sun shines but its not the usual color its a black light sun or something.

And that betrayal is whats bringing out this.



Hey Luthier!!


Good Job! You get a pat on the back!


*catches a few tomatoes for marinara before ducking the rest and jetting in the jet* W00t the good stuff, rotten tomatoes are for movies anyways

[Sven]

Originally Posted by Opitz

"That means that the team is growing, we are hiring, and we’re not going anywhere."

Is it some kind of threat?

In your mind it is, to most other people it means that MG will continue on the game regardless of the current state and that they even hire new employees like the one working on the new sound right now.

Originally Posted by Sven

In your mind it is, to most other people it means that MG will continue on the game regardless of the current state and that they even hire new employees like the one working on the new sound right now.

And where are such experienced employees? If they are why they were not hired first time? Nobody in the "project management", Luthier or whoever, noticed anything going in wrong direction in the last 6-7 years? Come on!

How many people with deep knowledge of AI in flight sims are on the russian job market now? One? Two? None?
It is not so easy to hire someone and just wait for miracles. Believe me. Or not... Anyway, I am not trusting Luthier anymore. He is just writing same BS all the time... For example he wrote he reads the threads here everyday. Really? So why he is ignoring some straightforward and easy questions? Instead of answering questions from tomorrow, last week, last month, he is reading WHAT? That someone make some nice screenshot in Photoshop?

Man, some people needs to be manipulated, but that's not my case. You can count now on your fingers how many people here are unconditionally happy with the status of this game, and more with the way Luthier is dealing with them -his real and only customers-. This is just an insult in any culture to the West from Russia borders...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

Man, some people needs to be manipulated, but that's not my case. You can count now on your fingers how many people here are unconditionally happy with the status of this game, and more with the way Luthier is dealing with them -his real and only customers-. This is just an insult in any culture to the West from Russia borders...

Yeah! Them Russian pinko red commies dare to make a video game! PFFFFFT!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Furbs,

The only difference between these 2 pics is one has all default global nvidia configs, the other has AA/AF both overridden and at max, along with all other NCP settings turned on max for quality.

Edit: fixed

No AA


With AA