Friday update and discussions 2011-03-11

[tourmaline]

LOL, had the same feeling but unfortunately it didn't happen.

That would be a nice movie scene, casual flying, all of a sudden dozens of germans all over them.


Very nice video and screenshots, Oleg and team.


Concerning release date:

amazon usa has allready changed the release date from 24th of march to 24th of April...

So, i think 24th of march is out of the question.

Originally Posted by Nanuk

Lovely Video.

I must admit though when watching i was hoping the music was gonna change to something more sinister and those moths were gonna get bounced by some 109's and ripped apart!!!

[airmalik]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Hi,
Today there are just small video and several screen shots. Next week - probably some new battle scene in video.

Superb video and screenshots! The Tiger Moths look photorealistic and their movement is very convincing with one exception - just like IL2 the plane targeted by the camera seems welded to it.

Ideally the camera should appear as if it's mounted on another plane and move accordingly. To simulate this, if the targeting of the camera lags the movement of the target plane a bit the movement should look more convincing.

I dislike the overdone 'camera shake' in videos but if the shake parameters (axis, intensity, period etc.) are configurable this would be a good way to go.

At a minimum if the camera can be 'slewed' so the target isn't always in the middle of the screen (and maybe even moved off-screen) it'd help.

This would obviously be useful for videomakers but I'm sure there are many people like me who spend a lot of time viewing replays and admiring aircraft, explosions etc. from different camera angles.

If this is not planned, will the API allow modding of cameras?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Tanner

Dumb question:

Why is the game called Battle of Britain in Russian but Cliffs of Dover elsewhere?

if it is still called Battle of Britain in russia (is it ?) that would be because it is oleg's preferred name, and since 1C does the distribution and retail for that region they can call it whatever they like

ubi as the distributor for the west has renamed it, thinking (wrongly) that keeping the old il2 name of the first series will increase sales. being french, the marketing department at ubi thought it sounded interesting to call it "cliffs of dover"

[kendo65]

I find it hard to believe that I'm actually posting this craziness - just put it down to pre-release tension


I just want to say that I don't buy Tree's much-repeated 'post action render theory' on the videos:

1. If they were going to use this method to cheat us ('cos that's what it amounts to) the logical thing would be to use it to show 200 bombers over London, with flak, Spits, 109s, etc, etc.

2. Pretty stupid broadcasting to everyone that the slow-rendering feature exists at all if they had even an inkling that they would use it to cheat. ie they'd keep it secret - then we (or some of us) wouldn't suspect anything.

3. They'd get found out when game releases. The boost to initial sales would in no way compensate for the damage to their reputation and subsequent loss of sales in the future.

4. And this is by far the biggest and most obvious reason - they are respectable and honourable people who care about what they do. They haven't shown any tendency in the past to over-hype products or cheat anyone. They've been brutally honest also about the state of play concerning the various features that won't make the initial release.

So please Tree, do us a favour, give it a rest

[proton45]

Originally Posted by kendo65

I find it hard to believe that I'm actually posting this craziness - just put it down to pre-release tension


I just want to say that I don't buy Tree's much-repeated 'post action render theory' on the videos:

1. If they were going to use this method to cheat us ('cos that's what it amounts to) the logical thing would be to use it to show 200 bombers over London, with flak, Spits, 109s, etc, etc.

2. Pretty stupid broadcasting to everyone that the slow-rendering feature exists at all if they had even an inkling that they would use it to cheat. ie they'd keep it secret - then we (or some of us) wouldn't suspect anything.

3. They'd get found out when game releases. The boost to initial sales would in no way compensate for the damage to their reputation and subsequent loss of sales in the future.

4. And this is by far the biggest and most obvious reason - they are respectable and honourable people who care about what they do. They haven't shown any tendency in the past to over-hype products or cheat anyone. They've been brutally honest also about the state of play concerning the various features that won't make the initial release.

So please Tree, do us a favour, give it a rest

Tree is just trolling again. The one thing you can always count on, is...the higher the excitement & expectation is, the harder the trolls work at...um, being trolls.

Trolls sense the heightened joy and expectation, and they want to bring people down to their negative level. The one thing you can always count on...the better things look, the harder they work...

Bottom line...I'm not to worried about how good the game will be, things are looking pretty good.

Originally Posted by proton45

Tree is just trolling again. The one thing you can always count on, is...the higher the excitement & expectation is, the harder the trolls work at...um, being trolls.

Trolls sense the heightened joy and expectation, and they want to bring people down to their negative level. The one thing you can always count on...the better things look, the harder they work...

Bottom line...I'm not to worried about how good the game will be, things are looking pretty good.

So by asking to see some in game footage makes me a Troll?
By pointing out that the promo movie might have taken advantage of the in game tool that allows you to remove FPS drop that Luthier told us about but everyone else bar a few seem to have forgotton about also makes me a Troll?
Wanting to hear some sound or see a bomb drop somewhere makes me a Troll as well?


So who are the real Trolls here? Maybe its people like you who tell us dont worry guys just go and spend your cash on a game that you havent seen running, Oleg wont let you down, all pure speculation 'pick me ups', from the same old diciples. Well as you can see two weeks away from release and the excuses are wearing a bit thin, even some of the most faithfull are begining to question why we aren't seeing any real footage or hearing any sounds.
In real terms weve seen feck all of how this product performs. We know the Battle of Britian theme as been dropped because the game engine cannot handle more than 21 bombers but obviously for the sheep heads this is not a worry, but for us Trolls its slightly concerning.

[Insuber]

It is rare to see Tree losing his temper. Maybe because he his right:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=291

"If we record a video with fraps, it won't give you any idea of the performance since fraps cuts the FPS in half. If we record a video with our built-in track-to-video converter, that records videos at a fluid framerate on any machine in the world."

End of discussion (for myself, of course ).

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So by asking to see some in game footage makes me a Troll?

a) By pointing out that the promo movie might have taken advantage of the in game tool that allows you to remove FPS drop that Luthier told us about but everyone else bar a few seem to have forgotton about also makes me a Troll?

b)Wanting to hear some sound or see a bomb drop somewhere makes me a Troll as well?


c)So who are the real Trolls here? Maybe its people like you who tell us dont worry guys just go and spend your cash on a game that you havent seen running, Oleg wont let you down, all pure speculation 'pick me ups', from the same old diciples. Well as you can see two weeks away from release and the excuses are wearing a bit thin, even some of the most faithfull are begining to question why we aren't seeing any real footage or hearing any sounds.

d)In real terms weve seen feck all of how this product performs. We know the Battle of Britian theme as been dropped because the game engine cannot handle more than 21 bombers but obviously for the sheep heads this is not a worry, but for us Trolls its slightly concerning.

Tree I think you are a stand up guy if a bit pessimistic at times so please don't take any of this the wrong way.

a) You didn't say it might be taking advantage of the render, rather assumed it was with no evidence one way or the other.

b) I think wanting to hear some sound is perfectly justifiable.

c) No one is saying spend your money blindly. Most have said "you don't have to buy it day one or even preorder you can wait for reviews and the community assessments."

d) We have seen active play videos that have progressed from slide shows over land to running fairly smoothly over land. Furthermore it's not the game engine that "can't handle 21 bombers" it's current PCs that can't crunch the number of calculations required for 21 bombers.

Please, if you are in doubt don't spend your money before you have more information. I will buy it as soon as it is available to me, and I assure you I will be back here either raising hell or praising the game. No one should demand that you just have utter faith that the developers of any game will do a perfect job or that it will be without fault. We must wait and judge the game on the merits. There will be many many people that will get this day 1 and of them I am sure many will report back to this community with their reviews/complaints/praises.

Your concerns are justifiable, and any reasonable person won't fault you for that.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So by asking to see some in game footage makes me a Troll?
By pointing out that the promo movie might have taken advantage of the in game tool that allows you to remove FPS drop that Luthier told us about but everyone else bar a few seem to have forgotton about also makes me a Troll?
Wanting to hear some sound or see a bomb drop somewhere makes me a Troll as well?


So who are the real Trolls here? Maybe its people like you who tell us dont worry guys just go and spend your cash on a game that you havent seen running, Oleg wont let you down, all pure speculation 'pick me ups', from the same old diciples. Well as you can see two weeks away from release and the excuses are wearing a bit thin, even some of the most faithfull are begining to question why we aren't seeing any real footage or hearing any sounds.
In real terms weve seen feck all of how this product performs. We know the Battle of Britian theme as been dropped because the game engine cannot handle more than 21 bombers but obviously for the sheep heads this is not a worry, but for us Trolls its slightly concerning.

The release of BOB COD is so close at hand it doesn't matter what anyone says about anything. Oleg is judy releasing what he wants to release, which answers the request for updates. Afterall, what does an update mean at this point anyway?

Oleg, works all day and on Friday evening before he goes home. Oleg says to himself, "Whoops, I almost forgot, I got to post some pictures for the update whiners".

Seriously, don' t sweat the updates the release is so near I doubt any news will change anyone's mind about buying COD at this point.

I've decided to even buy it off steam, if that's my only recourse.

Sorry, but my anticipation level has reached meltdown,woe is me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g3pt...1&feature=fvwp

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So by asking to see some in game footage makes me a Troll?
By pointing out that the promo movie might have taken advantage of the in game tool that allows you to remove FPS drop that Luthier told us about but everyone else bar a few seem to have forgotton about also makes me a Troll?
Wanting to hear some sound or see a bomb drop somewhere makes me a Troll as well?


So who are the real Trolls here? Maybe its people like you who tell us dont worry guys just go and spend your cash on a game that you havent seen running, Oleg wont let you down, all pure speculation 'pick me ups', from the same old diciples. Well as you can see two weeks away from release and the excuses are wearing a bit thin, even some of the most faithfull are begining to question why we aren't seeing any real footage or hearing any sounds.
In real terms weve seen feck all of how this product performs. We know the Battle of Britian theme as been dropped because the game engine cannot handle more than 21 bombers but obviously for the sheep heads this is not a worry, but for us Trolls its slightly concerning.

Well Tree, your response is as inaccurate and generally inflammatory as I would expect from any troll...you even included the Trolls "go to" word, "disciples"...thanks

Tree, I don't even know why you are arguing about it...you have admitted that you find making inflammatory posts to be "fun". I remember that you didn't see anything wrong with it...at the time, you felt justified because no body had banned you. We had this whole conversation last summer...maybe you forgot.

Anyway...respond how you like, thats the last from me on this issue.