Some freetrack questions

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Matt255

If CoD won't support Freetrack, i would really like to know that before the release.

Because i don't plan to buy TrackIR exclusively for CoD when Freetrack works fine with every other game i own.

+1, and I consider a lack of consumer respect have my questions about the subject IGNORED by the deav team until now. They talk about engine flames colour, but not about head tracking devices?

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Modifying the camera is not something i'm willing to do. So, if i don't remove the IR filter can i just make do with a piece of film or floppy disk material that i will use whenever i want to run a flight sim?

No, at least not in my experience with a Logitech Fusion. There are two relevant filters: first, removal of the IR filter to allow the camera to detect the IR light points brightly enough and, second, a visible light filter to stop the camera seeing anything else.

The aim of freetrack tinkering is that the webcam ONLY sees the IR light points. Therefore you need to a) remove the IR filter in the camera and b) add a visible light filter (floppy disc works really well). If you remove the IR filter you can still use the camera for video calls but the colour is gone since background IR floods the receptor.

Not great, in short, but on the other hand freetrack is just brilliant when you have it tuned. Remember to fiddle with camera settings in freetrack, exposure time in particular.

[nearmiss]

I use infrared (IR) diodes that I sanded down to enhance the brightness. This way I can use in full sunlight.

We haven't gotten a fix on whether freetrack will work with BOB COD, because TrackIR has been working on some things to make TrackIR proprietary enough that headtracker wannabe cannot steal their business.

We will probably learn the outcome soon as information is released on the COD.

For now, the Freetrack works very well with Il2

I only did the freetrack, because I enjoy doing the electronic gimmickery.
My head piece took all day one Saturday to built, but it is just perfect for freetrack. It is built in very compact package and slides into a clip on my headset. Very professional, and it works extremely well every time I use it.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

TrackIR has been working on some things to make TrackIR proprietary enough that headtracker wannabe cannot steal their business.

Steal?
You mean "compete for".

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Letum

Steal?
You mean "compete for".

I don't know. I get your point, but most of the packages that would do what TrackIR is supposed to do are free. So... I don't think in terms of competition when they aren't trying to make money. Actually, if they were real viable competitors they would probably have to do some competent workarounds in the code not to be sued.

Whatever sounds best to you is fine with me.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I don't know. I get your point, but most of the packages that would do what TrackIR is supposed to do are free. So... I don't think in terms of competition when they aren't trying to make money. Actually, if they were real viable competitors they would probably have to do some competent workarounds in the code not to be sued.

Whatever sounds best to you is fine with me.

Yeah, I think what TrackIR are trying to do to freetrack is like a supermarket trying to stop you growing your own vegetables in your back garden by sabotaging your seedlings that the friendly farmer gave you.
Its not right and its not fair. You should be able to make something you could otherwise buy, using separate items you bought or were given.

Another example: You buy a ball of wool (LEDs, resistors and batteries). You already have some knitting needles (webcam). Your Gran then teaches you how to knit a scarf (freetrack software). Then along comes someone from Topshop (TrackIR) and breaks your poor gran's hands.

[albx]

well, actually i'm using freetrack clip for my headset done with drinking straws, white leds, non IR, and a ps3 eyecam at 640x480@75fps and works very well, without any filter removed. I really hope freetrack can be used with COD.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Yeah, I think what TrackIR are trying to do to freetrack is like a supermarket trying to stop you growing your own vegetables in your back garden by sabotaging your seedlings that the friendly farmer gave you.
Its not right and its not fair. You should be able to make something you could otherwise buy, using separate items you bought or were given.

Another example: You buy a ball of wool (LEDs, resistors and batteries). You already have some knitting needles (webcam). Your Gran then teaches you how to knit a scarf (freetrack software). Then along comes someone from Topshop (TrackIR) and breaks your poor gran's hands.

Things are simple: NP can't stop FreeTrack users, because FreeTrack has your own API. But NP maybe give some money to games companies to not give FreeTrack API suport.

Wonders me why Bohemia Interactive can suport FreeTrack after requests and I still reading things like these Nearmiss wrote... I'm alway amazed how NP lies became true to some people. Ask Bohemia Interactive about FreeTrack support, please. They listen to the customers base. Please, read:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=79821
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=90969

Let's not spread more NP lies around. If 1C wants, can give FreeTrack suport. It's easy. If 1C receives money from NP, please tell us. The NP customers that pay for an overpriced software will really be glad to know why they have to pay abusive price for a simple thing: cheap IR cam with simple traking software.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I don't know. I get your point, but most of the packages that would do what TrackIR is supposed to do are free. So... I don't think in terms of competition when they aren't trying to make money. Actually, if they were real viable competitors they would probably have to do some competent workarounds in the code not to be sued.

Whatever sounds best to you is fine with me.

Don't talk about things you don't know.

FreeTrack has your OWN API. FreeTrack "steals" nothing. Tha math behind tracking points in space is free.

Bohemia Interactive deliver FreeTrack support. If IL-2:CoD didn't do the same, will be a real shame.

FreeTrack don't use new encripted NP API. Devs can use FreeTrack API, as Bohemia Interactive did, and to a decent job.

If IL-2:CoD didn't came out of box with FreeTrack support, shame.