4.11 realism

[Ace1staller]

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

Actually a plane travelling in the air would be under constraints from the air and the probability that the wing breaks off after getting such damage is close to 100 %



Other effect of 1 MK108 round on a spitfire.

Oktoberfest, I'm on Swiss' side, it would take more than one MK 108 round to knock out the plane's wing off.

[MaxGunz]

Check the ammo mix for Mk108. Not every shell is MG. Worse even, MG shell is not the same trajectory as I shell. This makes it -possible- to hit consistently with only one shell type. The real I shell would only explode when immersed in liquid too, otherwise it was a low muzzle velocity solid shot.

I could see the online battles with Side X = Airplane High Fail Reliability Losers conditions. How many on the loser side, how many on the other?

Couldn't reliability be well enough simulated by reduced planes on the map? The failed planes being the ones not there rather than wasting a player's limited flight time? Besides, this is possible already and sometimes done already.

Historic high chance of unreliable before even takeoff planes, read about the US Marines at Henderson Airfield in 1942. Not just engines that might and did quit during or right after takeoff but some gauges, lights, etc, not working from start up and still the plane went on to fight, or at least try.

Is it even possible for IL-2 to have planes that start with random minor faults? How about engine unable to make full power? Consider that new serial production planes vary 5% in the same line, as told by Oleg many times, then how about the larger variation of used planes? Minus up to 10% for game? Perhaps someone could find themselves in Spitfire JL-165 when they thought they picked the sure winner?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

Better mk108 damage.
[...]
A single hit should do more damage to fighter aircraft, and certainly at the wings, as a 30mm hit on the wings was fatal.

I thought I would test this ingame a little.


I shot single 30mm rounds at a spitfire's wing root in flight at ~0degrees to the wing plane. I repeated it 10 times.

The results where:

Survived with damage: 4
PK or control loss: 1
Fire: 1
Wing Loss: 4

There are some screens from the test here: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8397/30mm.jpg

I don't draw any conclusions my self from this little test, but I thought it might be interesting.

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Letum

I thought I would test this ingame a little.


I shot single 30mm rounds at a spitfire's wing root in flight at ~0degrees to the wing plane. I repeated it 10 times.

The results where:

Survived with damage: 4
PK or control loss: 1
Fire: 1
Wing Loss: 4

There are some screens from the test here: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8397/30mm.jpg

I don't draw any conclusions my self from this little test, but I thought it might be interesting.

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

Yes the structural G-Limit is one of the good things of 4.10 this was something which has been missed for a very long time!

[ImpalerNL]

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

Each round fired at the wing should have the same probability of ripping it off, under the same conditions.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

I'm surprised you find that strange. It appears normal to me.
In the same way that if I crashed a car into a brick wall 100 times at roughly the same speed, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall sometimes fell over and sometimes didn't.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

Each round fired at the wing should have the same probability of ripping it off, under the same conditions.

I'd be worried if a hit in the wing root always took the wing straight off. In reality things just don't work that way. The angle of deflection, angle of penetration, G pulled by target aircraft and the area of the root which is hit will all contribute to varying results. I doubt any test can replicate those factors precisely.

Same goes for fuel tank hits (at least with smaller caliber stuff). Many rounds will pass straight through a self sealing tank with nothing to show for your efforts.

[LeLv8_Otto]

Originally Posted by Letum

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

I can see this after hitting someone the plane suddenly looses e.g. wing easier, but has it been confirmed by TD to be so or just a feeling? 4.10 manual doesn't mention about G-Limits acting that way - they speak only about damage when exceeding the G-limit.

[Ventura]

Really?

You want more disintegrating airplanes?

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

Better mk108 damage.

Ive shot at fighters that only lost a elevator, rudder, or aileron.

A single hit should do more damage to fighter aircraft, and certainly at the wings, as a 30mm hit on the wings was fatal.

Ive shot at a p-51 two times with a mk108, and the aircraft still was in one piece.
After 3th hit the mustang fell apart.

Ive shot a tempest 1 time at the wing with the mk108, and he only lost a aileron and kept on flying.

A mk108 30mm hit at the wing should rip the wing off, at least for fighter aircraft.

I've seen this year after year but I want to know why everyone thinks that the cannon shell will hit with the best possible impact all the time? If I'm not mistaken it's more than possible that the shell will detonate late and cause some, but not catastrophic, damage to the target aircraft. It should be utterly devastating with the right hit (i.e. shell detonates perfectly in the middle of the wing or fuselage at the right moment) but that not every hit is a guaranteed killer.

I know the frustration sometimes... you hit with the MK108 and you see a little fuel leak and some damage. But then the second hit destroys the plane utterly or destroys every system and makes it impossible to fly. It seems to do the job very well.. Except maybe in high lag/high packetloss environments online.