Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Icewolf

this is my nephew at a farmers shed in saskatchewan ,canada. this hurricane is fully operational and the farmer flew it himself 3 times before parking it .
my nephew is 6 feet tall.he has no idea what model this is but I told him about this debate and he mentioned that he is not sitting on a parachute which I believe the pilots would be, thus the difference of clearance of the head.

the farmer has since sold the plane

Well these photo's vindicate luthier, for all we know, it could be a ground crew member in the pit, thanks for clearing that up...

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Great up-date, thanks!

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Well these photo's vindicate luthier, for all we know, it could be a ground crew member in the pit, thanks for clearing that up...

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Great up-date, thanks!

I see things a little differently. I'm now convinced the pilot is the correct height but his head is too small. Perhaps this was the result of scaling the pilot's entire body down instead of just shortening his legs? One person might have shorter legs and narrower shoulders than another but their head will usually be about the same size.

Try this.....open the following images side by side and fully zoomed. Take a ruler and measure the depth of the real guy's head and compare this measurement with the depth of the real hurris lower perspex panel in the front windscreen and the initial lower perspex panel in the sliding canopy. The guy's head is approx. the same depth as both these clear panels.

Now do the same with the sim pilot and sim hurri. You must allow for the portion of the chin hidden by the collar though. You'll find you need to add at least 2mm to the guys head to match the scale found in the real picture. This makes the head at least 20% too small.

I have no doubt the sim hurri dimensions are spot on. It's the pilot's head that is out of proportion. Try it for yourselves.

I hope this can be seen as constructive rather than just wining. I'm just trying to explain the gut reaction of several observers on this forum including myself. I'm extremely impressed with what I've seen so far and I can live with little issues like this.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Bloblast

This makes things clearer:

Actually, zoomed in like that, i think the team have done a good job on the pilot model. The angle of the picture, with the reflection on the back of the canopy, can create the illusion the canopy is a lot bigger than it really is.


And regarding landscape; guys, this is soooo WIP Oleg said that the terrain would be almost photorealistic, and I just think this shows the team messing with textures before increasing their resolution...In any case, the terrain in WoP can look very good (debateable?) but I am sure that the textures from WoP could be placed into SoW in some form. I don't say this to say that this should happen, but to show that these txctures are far from final as the SoW has a lot more to offer. I'm confusing myself here; but I think I have made my point credible in one form or other...

[Bloblast]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Actually, zoomed in like that, i think the team have done a good job on the pilot model. The angle of the picture, with the reflection on the back of the canopy, can create the illusion the canopy is a lot bigger than it really is.


And regarding landscape; guys, this is soooo WIP Oleg said that the terrain would be almost photorealistic, and I just think this shows the team messing with textures before increasing their resolution...In any case, the terrain in WoP can look very good (debateable?) but I am sure that the textures from WoP could be placed into SoW in some form. I don't say this to say that this should happen, but to show that these txctures are far from final as the SoW has a lot more to offer. I'm confusing myself here; but I think I have made my point credible in one form or other...

The top part of the canopy, between the 2 lines, seems to be too large in comparison.
The difference is clear: it's the pilot and the canopy imho.

[vanderstok]

Nice update! (and testing my new Avatar )

[Tbag]

Hey Vanderstok, red 13 is my number

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

Forget how tall the pilot is. It is the headsize (with or without helmet) that is so wrong.

Compare this upscaled version with the original. This is far from perfect but should serve to illustrate what many are saying. And, for Luthier, the pilot's eyeline is pretty well centred on the the reflector sight.

[AdMan]

Originally Posted by peterwoods@supanet.com

Forget how tall the pilot is. It is the headsize (with or without helmet) that is so wrong.

Compare this upscaled version with the original. This is far from perfect but should serve to illustrate what many are saying. And, for Luthier, the pilot's eyeline is pretty well centred on the the reflector sight.

very nice, looks much better

[Jimko]

First, great update pictures! Thanks Luthier!

Next…Does the pilot look a bit small to me in Luthier’s picture? Yes…

Is this a great issue for me? No…but I would prefer him to be a bit larger or higher.

I have seen many pictures and photos of pilots in Spits and Hurriys, and with no offense to Luthier, many of them had their eyes above the gunsight and they would stoop forward and down when using the sight.

I have read many biographies of BoB pilots and some of them were 6’ 4” tall, so even with lowered seats, their heads could be almost touching the canopy. Others flew with raised or lowered seats, depending on their preferences.

Here are a couple of pics, the first is Stanford Tuck in his Hurry, and the second is from the war. They give some good idea of pilot scale. Notice that their line-of-sight is just above the gunsight, but leaning foreward a bit would put their eyes a bit lower and in line with the sight. I have better pictures, but I would have to dig them out and scan them and no time for that project right now.

Is this an issue that is life-changing for me?

I hardly think so, but I think that it’s fair to present ideas and different opinions in a courteous and tactful manner.

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by Bloblast

This makes things clearer:

Ah, that is a more relevant picture! The pilots in the two modern Hurricanes look larger because they are wearing modern flying helmets, which almost double the size of the head.