The P-51 Mustang Purist Club / Simulator / PS3

[olife]

hello guys,

thanks a lot for those nice words,very sympathetic from u.
yes " teacher" miss september will be here very soon, it is ready ,just add the text,and yes mcQ59 i weren't able to quite bop even in vacation!!...i even visited the modern warplanes museem in the city of MONTELIMARD ,i did 140 kilometers(go and back)to see a planes!

see u very soon in bop friends !!!

[olife]

hello guys

miss september is now here

hope u will like

[MACADEMIC]

Originally Posted by McQ59

Great drawings Olife! I really must say...
So you weren't able to "quit" BoP even in the vacation ,-)

When are you guys going to organize a strikemission to protect poor old Gilly's worn out bomber from the furious Jagdstaffels of Der Fürers Luftwaffe?

I'm warming up my K4...

Coming soon McQ59, and thanks for your patience!

MAC

[MACADEMIC]

Very pleased to announce our latest member: wakespeak

Welcome to our Club!

MAC

[MACADEMIC]

Dear all,

I'm traveling for the next few days and have no chance to get online on the PS3. Would be good if you all can keep the new Special Club game AERIAL BATTLES in Strike against Friends going (e.g. Tommy), this game has turned out very exciting matches.

Have fun and see you soon!

MAC

P.S.: Kleine Übersetzung für Tommykocher. Bin für ein paar Tage unterwegs, bitte macht beim neuen Spiel weiter und rekrutiert auch neue Freunde wenn's geht! Bis bald!

[howzmidyktzt]

Sure, I will do a practice round with you. I have been playing BOP since it came out, I usually fly with chowbird, spin, rat, chameleon, mckinney and so on.

[MACADEMIC]

Fellow Mustang pilots,

I'm sure most of you are aware of the imminent threat the FW-190 D9s of the rising JG52 is posing to us. We must do all in our power to stop their relentless expansion and must take the battle to them. *

For this new situation, teamwork is of the essence. No matter how skilled we all may be as individual Mustang pilots, it means nothing if we are not able to apply our combined forces against the enemy.

Therefore, I urge you to engage in the Club's training exercises immediately.

The first of a series of excercises, which I will publish on this thread, is:

1. Pair Formation flying

Here are some critical points for the proper execution of this task:

- Good communication between the leader and his wingman are of the essence, therefore use headsets as much as possible.

- the leader must consider the wingman's location and his ability to keep up. Therefore, announce any turns, climbs, dives. Make them gentle in the beginning. Do not power ahead with full power if your wingman is already far behind. He won't have a chance to catch up.

- it's good practice for the leader to announce his power setting and configuration (flaps up or down).

- it's easiest for the wingman to follow if the leader maintains a constant power setting and does not make abrupt power changes unannounced.

- the wingman's position is on the leader's left wing, slightly behind and below. Practice assuming this position when the leader orders 'Close formation'.

- at the beginning, you will need more distance between you and the leader, but you will be able to fly closer with practice.

- a fundamental rule to formation flying is to keep your wings parallel with the leader's wings

- the secret to formation flying is that the leader's airplane becomes the sole reference point for the wingman - what the leader does, the wingman does. Stick the leader's plane in a position in your right windscreen and keep him there.

- make small and glentle adjustments continuously. Use rudder for keeping your lateral position with reference to the leader. Consider inertia and drag. Power changes take a while to have their effect on speed (acceleration/deceleration). If you are too fast and start to overshoot, consider the use of combat flaps which will decelerate you quickly. Raise them and adjust power as soon as you have stopped your plane from overshooting.

- When practicing, turn you HUD on. It is easier for both leader and wingman to accurately see their airspeeds and throttle settings. I will follow up with an explanation of the Airspeed Indicator and Manifold Pressure Gauge to enable the club to do without HUD in all circumstances.

- the maneuver may seem difficult at first but with practice you will master it. The aim for us must be that it becomes second nature to fly in formation comparable to driving your car in traffic.

- Finally, it's a lot of fun and very immersive.

Please everybody, get on with it asap. Team up with a Club member when you can. In addition I will host a series of open ended games for Club members where pairs of two can form for practice.

I look forward to seeing results soon. All pilots report back here confirming they have mastered the excercise.

MAC

This USN training video deals with three and four airplane formations. Since it provides some excellent basic information on any formation flying, I have included it here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2837826774725#

* Please always be mindful that our enemy's pilots are honorable and skilled airmen. Treat them with respect, and be on guard.

[olife]

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC

Fellow Mustang pilots,

I'm sure most of you are aware of the imminent threat the FW-190 D9s of the rising JG52 is posing to us. We must do all in our power to stop their relentless expansion and must take the battle to them. *

For this new situation, teamwork is of the essence. No matter how skilled we all may be as individual Mustang pilots, it means nothing if we are not able to apply our combined forces against the enemy.

Therefore, I urge you to engage in the Club's training exercises immediately.

The first of a series of excercises, which I will publish on this thread, is:

1. Pair Formation flying

Here are some critical points for the proper execution of this task:

- Good communication between the leader and his wingman are of the essence, therefore use headsets as much as possible.

- the leader must consider the wingman's location and his ability to keep up. Therefore, announce any turns, climbs, dives. Make them gentle in the beginning. Do not power ahead with full power if your wingman is already far behind. He won't have a chance to catch up.

- it's good practice for the leader to announce his power setting and configuration (flaps up or down).

- it's easiest for the wingman to follow if the leader maintains a constant power setting and does not make abrupt power changes unannounced.

- the wingman's position is on the leader's left wing, slightly behind and above. Practice assuming this position when the leader orders 'Close formation'.

- at the beginning, you will need more distance between you and the leader, but you will be able to fly closer with practice.

- the secret to formation flying is that the leader's airplane becomes the sole reference point for the wingman - what the leader does, the wingman does. Stick the leader's plane in a position in your right windscreen and keep him there.

- make small and glentle adjustments continuously. Consider inertia and drag. Power changes take a while to have their effect on speed (acceleration/deceleration). If you are too fast and start to overshoot, consider the use of combat flaps which will decelerate you quickly. Raise them and adjust power as soon as you have stopped your plane from overshooting.

- If you get too close to the leader and lose sight, bank left and pull up to avoid collision. You can then Yo-Yo back into your position.

- When practicing, turn you HUD on. It is easier for both leader and wingman to accurately see their airspeeds and throttle settings. I will follow up with an explanation of the Airspeed Indicator and Manifold Pressure Gauge to enable the club to do without HUD in all circumstances.

- the maneuver may seem difficult at first but with practice you will master it. The aim for us must be that it becomes second nature to fly in formation comparable to driving your car in traffic.

- Finally, it's a lot of fun and very immersive.

Please everybody, get on with it asap. Team up with a Club member when you can. In addition I will host a series of open ended games for Club members where pairs of two can form for practice.

I look forward to seeing results soon. All pilots report back here confirming they have mastered the excercise.

MAC

* Please always be mindful that our enemy's pilots are honorable and skilled airmen. Treat them with respect, and be on guard.

hello guys,

yes totally agree with teacher mac,i tried the formation pair training with him during 1 hour 2 days ago,and i must say it is a very very very good training cause learn to be cool,patient and exelent to learn how analyse the combat situation with calm!i think it it the best way to progress...if u are as me(speed,stress and nervous)the formation pair training can help u a lot!
and what a great fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!we were only two but i can imagine the big fun it must be if we are many players in formation...as in the real it is the first most important thing that a pilot must learn!!enjoy!enjoy!

i will change my old ps3 very soon (end of this month maybe or sure at the beginning of the next month)this old lady who give my so much fun is now badly tired...i bought her when it came out in europe in 2006 or 2007!
"she win the medal of honor of the congress and the purple heart of the videos game " lol!
see u guys aces

[vdomini]

Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp!

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

[olife]

Originally Posted by vdomini

Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp!

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

hello vodkadomini ace

yes totally agree with u,the crashs are my biggest prob in all the planes game i do...too much risks,in sim and realistic too...must progress and the way will be hard to become just good!
in fact my bad eyes (left eye 7/10 right eye 8,5/10 with my big glasses)disturbe me a lot in sim,but i refuse to take my bad view as a pretext to explain my lot of crashs,i must learn to be "stronger than my eyes"and i m sure i m not the only one guy in this case,i m just too nervous and ridiculous in my flys because of stress and the formation training of teacher macademic is very good for me to stay calm and cool in same time i learn to analyse the combat situation...the challenge will be hard...i m ready to fight against my own defaults!

good hunting to all!!