4.09 - Support & Bug Reporting

[csThor]

Those DLLs come from Maddox Games (or rather through them - don't know their origin). Not sure if our coding gurus can make statements about.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Zent

But i wonder what is the difference with the new mg_snd dlls ? Where will my game now be different. Will i be really online compatible or have strange problems ?
With other words: What has been changed with the mg_snd dlls ????

Any answer from Daidalos team ?

II/JG54_Zent

DT didn't change anything in dll files, I'm also using old mg_snd.dll and mg_snd_sse.dll files, mine are from 2006. I think that Oleg didn't change dll's either, I don't have 409 dll's but I bet they are from few years ago.

Same problem with dll's was here with 409 Beta and maybe even earlier but most people forgot about it. When you add various mods to the equation than complete mess is expected. We must get used to live with SNAFU.

FC

[andrea78]

Originally Posted by FC99

DT didn't change anything in dll files, I'm also using old mg_snd.dll and mg_snd_sse.dll files, mine are from 2006. I think that Oleg didn't change dll's either, I don't have 409 dll's but I bet they are from few years ago.
FC

I agreed, I don't think it is a dll problem: I changed them without solve the issue...

[II/JG54_Zent]

Originally Posted by FC99

DT didn't change anything in dll files, I'm also using old mg_snd.dll and mg_snd_sse.dll files, mine are from 2006. I think that Oleg didn't change dll's either, I don't have 409 dll's but I bet they are from few years ago.

Same problem with dll's was here with 409 Beta and maybe even earlier but most people forgot about it. When you add various mods to the equation than complete mess is expected. We must get used to live with SNAFU.

FC

This is a probably a quite realistic and open answer but i think a very problematic one too.
It shows no real sense of responsibility for the game at either Daidalos team and/or Maddox team. As we all know the devil is in the details, if an important technical part of the game is not working properly in the new "standard" installation it is not a trivial thing, its a major bug and should be adressed by a responsible developer.
Either a game is supported correctly and then it is necessary to research and solve such issues in a responsible manner. Or it is not supported and then there should be nothing such as an official patch, then 4.09m should be regarded as a Daidalos Mod or such.
I am used to live with SNAFU regarding Il2 since the mods came out, but really SNAFU kills the fun... endless incompatibilities, empty servers because this or that special mod is needed, a general splitting up of the online community in specialied fan groups of this or that mod. I had some hope for 4.09m to establish a new basic ground for us, but that casual manner of treating severe bugs makes me feel sceptic about this.

As a technical side note: dll problems may not be the problem for ALL non game start problems, but at least in my case they are clearly the responsible files. The new 4.09m dlls are listed with 372 Kb each, dating from 05.06.2007.
The old beta 4.09 are 304 and 348 kb from 04.09.2006...

I would be happy about an INFORMED answer to what problems this might cause and whether it will be solved or not or if it is no problem, even on crt=2 servers and such to run the old dlls.

Anyway, thx for the effort which goes into developping all this stuff.. but dont get sloppy...it would spoil all the great work..

II/JG54_Zent

[cmirko]

there is no problem with CRT=2 settings on server and client with different sounds dll's...

cheers

[mkubani]

Hello Zent,

Do you think I was sloppy when I used to fly with you in II/JG54?

We tested 4.09 for months. None of us and external testers had the problem with those dll files. It's more a hardware (sound card) related issue than a software one related to IL-2 or even 4.09. And out of many thousands people who have downloaded the patch, only very small % has this problem. So how were we supposed to catch this one? We can't test every HW out there. No game developer can. So how do you relate this to DT not being responsible or detail oriented? The dll fix is out there and it's simple one. So use it please.

I think you had received an informed answer from other DT members before. Just try to understand it.

Martin (used to be II/JG54_Jopo)

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Zent

This is a probably a quite realistic and open answer but i think a very problematic one too.
It shows no real sense of responsibility for the game at either Daidalos team and/or Maddox team. As we all know the devil is in the details, if an important technical part of the game is not working properly in the new "standard" installation it is not a trivial thing, its a major bug and should be adressed by a responsible developer.
Either a game is supported correctly and then it is necessary to research and solve such issues in a responsible manner. Or it is not supported and then there should be nothing such as an official patch, then 4.09m should be regarded as a Daidalos Mod or such.
I am used to live with SNAFU regarding Il2 since the mods came out, but really SNAFU kills the fun... endless incompatibilities, empty servers because this or that special mod is needed, a general splitting up of the online community in specialied fan groups of this or that mod. I had some hope for 4.09m to establish a new basic ground for us, but that casual manner of treating severe bugs makes me feel sceptic about this.

As a technical side note: dll problems may not be the problem for ALL non game start problems, but at least in my case they are clearly the responsible files. The new 4.09m dlls are listed with 372 Kb each, dating from 05.06.2007.
The old beta 4.09 are 304 and 348 kb from 04.09.2006...

I would be happy about an INFORMED answer to what problems this might cause and whether it will be solved or not or if it is no problem, even on crt=2 servers and such to run the old dlls.

Anyway, thx for the effort which goes into developping all this stuff.. but dont get sloppy...it would spoil all the great work..

II/JG54_Zent