More on epilepsy in Cliffs of Dover

[swiss]

Originally Posted by C_G

House,

That's an interesting point, but I don't think it's a legally accurate one.
Food manufacturers aren't precluded from making products with peanut or peanut oil on the chance that a consumer might not be aware that they have a fatal allergy to peanuts.

They're only required to perform due diligence in warning consumers that their products do or may contain peanuts.

C_G

Correct. Ban peanuts!

[House M.D.]

Originally Posted by swiss

Correct. Ban peanuts!

Nope, because your child doctor gives you instructions what and when to feed your kid.
The feeding procedure is supposed to be under control and mommy is supposed to watch her kid after she feeds it a potential problematic food.

[YellowPaw]

It doesn't have to be you that has epilepsy.

You're playing CoD in your den and your son comes in to see what you're doing - he looks over your shoulder to watch and BAM! You didn't know he was an epileptic until that moment. All the 'I'll take responsibility for my own safety' arguments mean bugger all when that happens. It isn't just about you.

Sorry to be melodramatic, and I agree it's extrememly unlikely to happen, but... just sometimes, it does happen.

When I was a mere schoolboy of 15, I watched a teacher up and die in the middle of a lesson due to epilepsy - it was quite unnervinging to say the least.

For myself, I've been playing Il2 for the last ten years or so - and I'll be playing this new game for the next ten at least. I hope Ilya and co get things sorted out soon. Until then... the sun is actually shining on the south-east of England for a change - I think I'll go for a walk.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by YellowPaw

You're playing CoD in your den and your son comes in to see what you're doing - he looks over your shoulder to watch and BAM! You didn't know he was an epileptic until that moment.

That would be the perfect spot to notice his disease - at least, then you know and it happend right beside you.

What if this happens on a staircase? Or while climbing up a tree?

[YellowPaw]

Originally Posted by swiss

That would be the perfect spot to notice his disease - at least, then you know and it happend right beside you.

What if this happens on a staircase? Or while climbing up a tree?

I find this a somewhat specious argument. I don't believe there is a 'good' way to have an epileptic fit.

But, whatever - I'm not really arguing. I just don't think the more self-serving opinions being catapulted about this forum are entirely representative of the issues at stake.

Perhaps I'm lucky in that my PC died recently (motherboard or cpu - both were neolithic anyway). I was going to wait a month or so before working out the spec for a new 'beast-rig' and, consequently, I get to watch developments with a certain emotional detachment.

By the time I get round to playing, I have faith that the issues will be resolved. Why do I have faith you ask - it is simple: watching the attention given to the original Il2 over the many years since it launched.

Originally Posted by adonys

This sounds like a poor damage control post.

IT states nothing we didn't knew already: of course that the code is Maddox, but is UBI that IMPOSED that code to be added to the game.

Nope...Read carefully...1C decided to implement the "filter" themselves cause they were not able to adjust and modify their code in time for release...
As for the obligation of reducing the risk of seizures to a minimum, 1C must have been knowlegable of that for a while...ANd agreed to this obligation...
They were caught by surprise when the tests results came in,,,
And luthier has good words for UBI in this matter...
So UBI bashing is not justified here...

Salute !

[adonys]

Originally Posted by kalimba

Nope...Read carefully...1C decided to implement the "filter" themselves cause they were not able to adjust and modify their code in time for release...

You are wrong! Because, at the moment Maddox was asked to add this, it knew very well 1C didn't required it, therefore it was not needed for 1C too. So, all they were needed to do was to make a branch in the code for it, not add it to the trunk.

I'm sorry, but the more I am looking at it, and the more I see the way UBI/1C/Maddox guys are reacting, the more I am convinced the "epilepsy filter" problem is not real.

Originally Posted by adonys

You are wrong! Because, at the moment Maddox was asked to add this, it knew very well 1C didn't required it, therefore it was not needed for 1C too. So, all they were needed to do was to make a branch in the code for it, not add it to the trunk.

I'm sorry, but the more I am looking at it, and the more I see the way UBI/1C/Maddox guys are reacting, the more I am convinced the "epilepsy filter" problem is not real.

In other words, you are saying that Luthier is not telling us the truth, and to add more, you say there is a conspiracy to make us believe that the game's issues are not related to poor coding ?

Hum...That is interesting indeed...

Salute !

Thanks for that Luthier, no one would believe me when i told this lot it wasn't Ubi's fault,

apologies below please.

[Il2Pongo]

Originally Posted by kalimba

Nope...Read carefully...1C decided to implement the "filter" themselves cause they were not able to adjust and modify their code in time for release...
As for the obligation of reducing the risk of seizures to a minimum, 1C must have been knowlegable of that for a while...ANd agreed to this obligation...
They were caught by surprise when the tests results came in,,,
And luthier has good words for UBI in this matter...
So UBI bashing is not justified here...

Salute !

Your a plant.

Smoking is allowed in all of these countries, as is alcohol consumption, sky diving, motor bike riding, skate boards, snow boards.


But a FREAKING video game cannot just have a warning.
Please, there is no law about this, creepysoft just got on this band wagon because some epileptic found out during a game that he was epileptic.

There is no law about this in canada, the US, probebly not in the UK.
This is just absolute crap and the dev is saying what he has to say to pacify his distributor.
Its like all the crippling DRM that microsoft insisted be implemented in all vista video card drivers. The card manufactures took all the flack for being late with their drivers and the slow performance but it was all Microsoft putting the nanny state into the driver requirements that caused it.