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Well not a bad idea, if you ask me.
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08-30-2011, 06:33 PM
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Ok, this is the third similar thread so far. With regards to RoF, it had a lot of similar difficulties during its early days.
The difference is that people expected less of them as an upstart company and gave them more leeway and more benefit of doubt, whereas MG was seen as the already accomplished studio and perfection was expected right out of the door. It's somewhat reasonable, but at the same time it's double standards when comparisons are made only on the matter of feedback and state of the products at completely different times in their life. If we want to be accurate, let's talk comparisons with a 5-month old RoF. I think both sims faced/face similar problems that they go about dealing with in a different way and tell you what, i'm very happy that CoD is neither IL2 with a new lipstick nor RoF. Of course opinions will vary and others will not share mine, but for what it's worth that's what mine is. In any case, like i've said before, people tend to be more critical towards MG and this is not something new that appeared due to the sketchy CoD release, it has always been like that just with different things being debated. RoF is good at what it does and it still has its limitations like any piece of software. I doubt you'll see a lot of threads rampantly defacing the enjoyable portions of the sim on their official forums though, just for the fact that it can't load more than a couple of hundred objects in a mission without crashing, or the fact that most of the guns have similar ballistics to each other regardless of model, something that here would most probably cause an avalanche of torches and pitchforks. On one hand you got a sim with almost identical guns for all aircraft, on the other one you got a sim with customizable loadouts, yet people will rather take offence to the latter one because it needs a bit of fumbling around (a whole half a dozen exhausting clicks or so) to create a custom belt  The other reason this goes on here is because it's tolerated by the people who run the forum, and by that i don't mean the moderators. I mean the ones who own and host the forum. I bet that if the RoF boards had three dedicated threads per week or daily posts in every imaginable unrelated thread popping up and highlighting the bad points of their sim with religious predictability, they wouldn't last long and neither would the persons posting them. And since its clear that some things go hand in hand together, maybe it's time to choose what kind of "package" we want. There's a 109E-4 coming for free in the next patch. If people want to pay extra for it (and please don't give me the "yes, but RoF works" excuse, because they were selling individual aircraft way before it actually worked that well) and have the mods locking every thread similar to this, now is the time to speak up. Or we can all enjoy a bit more leeway in what can be said on this board and get a few freebies, at the cost of the developers communicating to us only when they have something tangible to show. Finally, a few words about such posts in general. I'm copying this straight from another thread: We just got an update and if we read it carefully, we'll see that they post updates when something is either ready or in a good enough condition to show. The way it goes is: 1) A few words about what is being worked on, maybe a picture or video of it, along with an approximate timeline. 2) Developers working on the stated items. 3) When a feature is in a good enough condition to show, another update with a short description about the next thing to work on, maybe a few screenshots or a video. etc... It's pretty clear that they are watching our feedback, taking steps to correct what needs fixing and providing updates in the way mentioned above: the updates keep coming, they are just not regular in the sense of "every X day of the week/month" because the amount of time needed to complete each patch is not the same each time. Where i'm going with this is that no matter how good the intentions of the thread starter might be, these threads invariably end up serving no real purpose apart from giving the forum members stuff to argue about between updates, increase the moderators's workload and fill up my mailboxes (both PMs and email from the automated mails about reported posts) with messages from people reporting each other's posts. Since this thread is no longer relevant (we got what the thread asked for) i'm moving it to the pilot's lounge. It's pretty much clear by now that updates follow a pattern "of show things when ready and not before" and yet they do come and the sim is being worked on, so i'm thinking about moving all such threads from now on to the pilot's lounge after the first few pages have filled up. I'm not going to stop anyone from speaking their mind, but having 2-3 threads about the same thing cluttering the front page every 2nd-3rd week after the last development update is counter-productive in more ways than one (eg, why not keep these questions in one thread in the first place?) This is not punishment, it's just for streamlining the forum's readability so that we can all find the useful stuff faster and not have to wade through numerous threads dealing with the exact same subject matter.
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08-30-2011, 08:06 PM
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How about a 1 post per day for people with less than 100 posts. Or 1 post every 8 - 12 hours? Then @ post 100 if your previous post are not obviously inflammatory your training wheels will be removed. This will prevent rant after rant thread after thread.
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08-30-2011, 09:17 PM
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BTW 1C Forum Rules officially prohibit spreading false information including false information about 1C products. Many users should have been banned based on this rule long time ago. I am sure competition does not tolerate spreading false information on their forums. ps. I think similar threads can be merged into one thread as soon as they appear every week. There can not be more than one "When we have update thread?" in total on the whole forums imo to make forums more useful. How about just one "When update" thread, one "Bug reports/complaints thread", and one "Luthier, please, please..." requests thread? sukhoi.ru has special section for bug-reports/complains that has to be filled in a certain format with description of issue, system specs, screenshots and records, list of 3rd party software running, etc. to make it useful. Last edited by Ataros; 08-30-2011 at 09:30 PM.
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08-30-2011, 09:27 PM
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I suggest such threads are either locked for repetitive content (use the search) or moved into a "hello, where is my babysitter" category. The content is ALWAYS the same.
*dev's too quiet *luthier too quiet *oleg bad *oleg too quiet *game is bad *I feel cheated *I want my 50 dollars back Literally these few statements are the cause for hundreds and thousands of posts that do nothing but pollute the forum with nonsense and bickering. It's not helping anyone. Also, if such a category would be created (I suggest it being a sub-category under the pilots lounge) there could be a sticky. Some of the last posts I made contain a few things that could be mentioned. Also what you said blackdog and some others. For example a few hints on how to actually make the situaion better etc. I'm seriously a "little" tired of seeing the same wining all over again. And also I believe it's just distracting people who'd otherwise have nicer conversations about just anything. That's what makes me say just "ignoring" is useless. Many of the posters make such absurdly false claims and statements, literally lieing to themselves, that many see it necessary to reply. A circle that won't ever end.
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