Paccus HAWK-First joystick with hydraulic feedback

[recoilfx]

Originally Posted by Artist

And my 2 cents: Wouldn't it be nice, if they went one step further and offered just the sturdy hydraulic forcefeedback *base* (of the stick) with different sticks (Spit, Bf109, ...)?

It would be just what kept me from investing in a tarmac-aces' Universal mechanical base: Stick in center position (mounted on the floor) with forcefeedback!

That would be so cool!

Artist

They did mention that the stick is interchangeable.

[Heliocon]

I would go for it if they changed the color/style a bit, currently it looks horrendously ugly, seriously paint the metal and put a mat finish on it.

[recoilfx]

It's not only the design - from their website, the stick only has 11 positions per degree, with maximum of 40 degrees from one end to the other. So the total res of one axes is only 440.

Not good enough for an high end stick if you ask me.

[engadin]

Originally Posted by swiss

why do you call yourself engadin?

Well, swiss, it's easy to understand, I guess: your Engadin or Engadine valley [I have seen it both ways written] is, AFAIK, the most beautiful in Europe, I repeat, from my own and particular POV, no offense intended, of course. I like it so much, mate, I also like its name ;o). So I took it borrowed as my nick.

Engadin.

[albx]

where is a real image of this joystick? only rendered images? From this pictures, I don't like it. It's not an HOTAS and is expensive.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Skiiwa

Maybe they need to do a bit more reserch first. Ergonomics is WAY off. I wouldnt even buy it for 50.

I agree 100%, ergonomics look way off. And those buttons in particular.

Originally Posted by JG27_PapaFly

Here are my 2 cents...

First of all I'm very glad to see a company finally working on a high-end force feedback solution! Way to go! I'm a microsoft ffb user from the day they appeared and I still don't see a worthy successor.

Design: It's pretty obvious why they chose a symmetric design for stick and buttons: this layout will equally work for right- and lefthanded players, which is good. One of my squaddies is lefthanded and there are very few options for him on the market. On the other hand the symmetric design limits ergonomy and the amount of buttons that can be installed.

Stronger forces and a solid build sounds good, too. The cheap, plasticky feel of the G940 drove me off instantly. We need more sticks going in the warthog direction.

If the grip is solid aluminium, it should be padded. Without pads it'll feel cold and uncomfortable.

I hope this stick will sell well and that there will be dedicated sticks for left- and righthanded players in the future. This is the only way to have a proper amount of buttons, hats and sliders ergonomically placed.

S!

+1

[Artist]

recoilfx,

Originally Posted by recoilfx

They did mention that the stick is interchangeable

Where? I did read their website again and couldn't find anything. What did I miss?

Is a resolution of 440 (precision = a quarter percent) really insufficient? I wonder what other joysticks deliver...

Artist

[recoilfx]

Originally Posted by Artist

recoilfx,

Where? I did read their website again and couldn't find anything. What did I miss?

Is a resolution of 440 (precision = a quarter percent) really insufficient? I wonder what other joysticks deliver...

Artist

For the interchangeable base info:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3177689

Resolution does matter, especially when you've extended the stick. You also notice it much more when zoomed in to the gun sights.

Resolution wise, MSFFB2 & X52 has 10bit (~1000). I believe G940 has 12bit.
T1600m & Warthog has 12bit interpolated to 16.

Also, please note that having higher res doesn't mean good accuracy if the mechanical gimball sucks.

This is why I now consider MSFFB2 & G940 inaccurate because of their stepper motors. You can never make smooth outputs with these sticks (google joytester graphs). x52 is useless due to non-linearity of output till it's modded.

Warthog has a center detent, but it has no dead zone, and my controls never wobbles since the gimbal system (when properly greased) is pretty smooth.

I hope this Paccus stick will do away with the stepper motor's detent effects.

[Artist]

Originally Posted by recoilfx

For the interchangeable base info:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3177689

Thanks!

Artist

[Doc_uk]

It sure does look ugly, and the price,€450 yea right i dont think so.
Will stick with my warthog, somthing that looks and feels like a flight stick