SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Jaws2002]

The massacre in Norway was not supposed to happen, with their tough anti gun laws.
If there's a will, there's a way.
We were chopping eachother long before any firearms were around. If you think tht by banning the average guy from owning a firearm, you make the planet safer, you need to wake up and look around.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

It doesn't come in such obvious ways. It's incremental and hidden in an unrelated bill. That's how it's done. There will never be a town gathering for re-education and by the way bring your firearm with you thing. That's a fail. It is much more sophisticated than this.

So where's the need to defend your freedom with a gun in this scenario? If they're not going to "come and get you" then I don't understand why you need a gun to protect yourself from the government. Wouldn't an engaged and informed electorate be the right tool for that job?

But trust me they hate the VOTER and would love not to have to please the electorate. I mean you know they are exempt from the laws they pass don't you? Doesn't that seem a little odd or not? It's the truth they are exempt from their laws.

I have no clue what any of this means.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Just so you can be placed at ease and the discussion can stay civil just make sure that you accept it is what it is today and the free ownership of firearms to its citizens will always be apart of the fabric of the United States. It will not change. It cannot. Its a right that isn't conveyed by a government but before it. A charter of negative liberties that state what they cannot not do. And the right shall not be infringed. So its like a tattoo it isn't going away.

At the time when the US laws where written most European countries had similar weapon legislation too (or rather lack of), and there was some kind of a gun in most cabins in Sweden too in the 19:th century. In those days most people where farmers far out in the woods with wild animals roaming around and no formalized police force to keep up law and order, so people had to be able to defend themselves in some way. The Royal Mail postmen in Sweden where required by law to carry revolvers as a defense against highwaymen and wild animals up until around 1920...

Before 1945 there was no license required for firearms even though you had to register purchased guns from 1934, and they where sold in every hardware store just like in the United States today.

Thank god we have moved on to a civilized society where firearms are not needed any more for protection in the woods and we resolve arguments verbally or written, and at the extreme in a court instead of pointing guns at each other or bang our neighbors in the head with large sticks But of course, in the developing world that is not the case today so the AK-47:s are still needed for self protection... And in the good ole USA of course!

[ATAG_Doc]

We don't elect UN members. But we distroy the careers of those that try to allow them to govern US. And self-preservation is always a strong motive.

[ATAG_Doc]

The entire disarm society thing only serves those who are in power. Nothing more. Europe just has to take whatever comes because there is nothing beyond holding a cardboard sign with a tired slogan written on it. Other than that that's pretty much it. Tomorrow is another day.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

ehh, I read the tit bit from google on this and it seems Fins make the best shooters. Doubt there will be many British shooters as you need expressed permission from the home office to have a rifle.

This guy should have entered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

Outstanding!!!"

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I am not worried about the guy getting his background checked and then a license. I am afraid of the children discovering the keys to the weapons locker, the guy having to sell his weapon for liquidity reasons on the black market, the guy robbing the house of the one having a machine gun lying around, the guy losing his job and wife having a blackout moment. The list goes on.

Your fears are really over the top and extreme. Akin to the boogyman. Lets change this up for what likely would happen to you or someone you love. I fear someone giving their teanage daughter a new iPhone and they will be texting while driving and end up killing someone. Now that has a far greater chance of coming to fruition.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Your fears are really over the top and extreme. Akin to the boogyman. Lets change this up for what likely would happen to you or someone you love. I fear someone giving their teanage daughter a new iPhone and they will be texting while driving and end up killing someone. Now that has a far greater chance of coming to fruition.

Is it? Then once again I will point to the stastics in regards to weapon related killings. There must be a reason for that. I am sincerely willing to listen to your arguments here.

BTW, using cell phones in a car over here is banned for exactly that reason.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

BTW, using cell phones in a car over here is banned for exactly that reason.

I do not believe you. And the reason why I don't is because I know reprobates live there and here as well as here. They don't care about laws. People are not program code they have a brain and don't use it. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

I do not believe you. And the reason why I don't is because I know reprobates live there and here as well as here. They don't care about laws. People are not program code they have a brain and don't use it. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot.

What you believe or not seriously has not much of an effect on executive procedures here, really. You are right, lots of people do not care about the law, but lots of people also get pulled out of traffic and fined for doing so. The law is there as much as you want to ignore it.

But I agree especially with your last sentence. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot. And that exactly is the reason why I do not want to give him a firearm. It really comes down to that. As many responsible peole there are, that one person spoils it all for the rest. And opposite to a car, which has a real use in daily life, guns simply do not have a purpose, let alone a constructive purpose, important enough to just give them away.