109 elevator trim

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Robo.

With elevator trim assigned to an joystick axis, you will be able to get full effect of the trim within split of a second whereby it took much longer in real life and the response was nowhere as swift. Give it a shot, you'll see. With this 'exploit', the 109 is way too manoeverable and you're actually winning turnfights with Hurricanes and you'll be able to hit Spitfires breaking hard while diving on them full speed. I fly all planes in game and I find this a severe issue, just like these nose ups with flaps down and other sci-fi physics.

Hi.
I'm using the trimm with axis (on of the small scrolling wheel on the throttle). When i roll the wheel from +8 to -3, it takes seconds. Much slower, than the stick movement...
You say, if i set the trimm to joystick main axis, it will be much faster? I can't test it now, but i am curious...

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Hi.
I'm using the trimm with axis (on of the small scrolling wheel on the throttle). When i roll the wheel from +8 to -3, it takes seconds. Much slower, than the stick movement...
You say, if i set the trimm to joystick main axis, it will be much faster? I can't test it now, but i am curious...

Hi Tom. No, it's the same speedwise. I am using mine just like yours, joystick axis I ment the wheel (which is a hotas axis, too), sorry about the confusion.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Hi Tom. No, it's the same speedwise. I am using mine just like yours, joystick axis I ment the wheel (which is a hotas axis, too), sorry about the confusion.

Ok, np.
Thx.

[Varrattu]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Hi.
.. When i roll the wheel from +8 to -3, it takes seconds...

I´m sure you mean -8 to +3.

The following photo shows the tailplane incidence of the BF109E-3a WNr 2422.The photo was taken at the Swiss Air Force Museum in Dübendorf.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Varrattu

I´m sure you mean -8 to +3.

yep, you right.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

...or just learn to fly

Actually this has nothing to do with the hardware.

[Widow17]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Summarizing:
If your joystick axis pots are crap,
if you do not know how to setup the axis movement in the game,
if you do not know how to handle the joystick in order to ensure a nice smooth flying
then you better use the elevator trim....

...or just learn to fly


~S~

usually a trim just moves the elevator -as far as i know in a 109 (and some others) it moves the whole STABILIZER, so i think something different happens to what you just do with your stick

[Crumpp]

usually a trim just moves the elevator -as far as i know in a 109 (and some others) it moves the whole STABILIZER, so i think something different happens to what you just do with your stick

Moving the whole stabilizer just means the trim system has more control surface area to work with. That means the less movement of the control surface is required to gain the same amount of force when compared to a tab type control surface.


I would not take the static display museum film of some unknown guy working the controls of some unknown condition aircraft as the standard for timing. That thing is kind of a joke actually.

I can send you a film working a Mooney Manual Gear System and you would think it was impossible to do in the air. All I have to do is just casually work the controls. Reality is the system is very simple and much quicker than most hydraulic gear. You don't casually work then either, you are pretty busy on final and don't have time to waste.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Moving the whole stabilizer just means the trim system has more control surface area to work with. That means the less movement of the control surface is required to gain the same amount of force when compared to a tab type control surface.


I would not take the static display museum film of some unknown guy working the controls of some unknown condition aircraft as the standard for timing. That thing is kind of a joke actually.

I can send you a film working a Mooney Manual Gear System and you would think it was impossible to do in the air. All I have to do is just casually work the controls. Reality is the system is very simple and much quicker than most hydraulic gear. You don't casually work then either, you are pretty busy on final and don't have time to waste.

That must be the reason I find it touchy, I must be giving too many degree's to soon, I will try timing my input better...as far as the aircraft having any advantage over RL use of the trim, I don't think so. I imagine that it all boils down to just better pilots online, who are skilled with the 109 and her strong points.

[Osprey]

I don't care how skilled they are or aren't. The issue is one of "was it realistically possible?". Obviously trim was regularly adjusted before certain actions were taken, such as dives, but this is different to making 2 or 3 degrees of movement inside 2 seconds whilst in the dive itself. From what I've read so far it appears that the trim adjustment is too fast compared with real life, therefore historically inaccurate.

@Crump. You do seem to dismiss things unless it is absolutely proven to you, possibly in the knowledge that you know that evidence to the level you require is not possible. This is why we use deduction, common sense and trim off the extreme viewpoints to gain a sensible perspective on the situation. To be honest mate, I'm not sure you are able to contribute anything to any discussion involving history because of this approach, and this becomes harder as less is known and greater speculation is required because it would never be possible to satisfy your requirements.
I ask you, since you play devils advocate for this discussion, do you hold the belief that what we have now is correct? According to your logic it cannot be.