oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The problem is ............ we have been spoilt by Oleg & 1c in the past with free updates, aircraft, maps and ground objects.

The Author of IL2 has surpassed any other genre of flight sim support wise and I hope it continues.

We will go by other business model with SoW. I would be too hard with more complex in development and time consuming to go with so many free updates with aircraft and other objects. However we will keep some part as free updates with new content and of course fixes if neccessary. But general line - partially open architecture of the sim that to get all these third party developers to work officially, but not modding with stolen(hacked) source code.

Probably we also will sell some additions. But general line of all Sow series - second sim we may play stand alone or install in the first one. Then the third sim play alone, or install in the merged already first + second sim in a series, etc...
By this way we will build again the flight sim of all times... Like a collection of WWII and some other near than time eras (from us. From third party commersial of free addons we may see WWI or 2025 year aircraft or even complete sims. From third party in time we may see controlable u-boats and ships, tanks or sport cars on a track...)

At least I hope and no one hard point never stop me before I release my thoughts in software (almost would say in metal...)

[mondo]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The problem is ............ we have been spoilt by Oleg & 1c in the past with free updates, aircraft, maps and ground objects.

Too right. THis will never happen again, its just not financially viable. But it does buy you a shed load of loyal players including me. No developer has ever done it to the extent of Oleg and Co.

Anyone here who has an Xbox360 or has experiance of the Asian PC games market knows of the future. Micropayment DLC, free to play core + micropayment addons etc.

[brando]

Originally Posted by Aviar

This has got to be the funniest post I've seen in a long time. Very nice, zapatista! Hope to see more funny stuff from you.

Aviar

+1

I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who thinks this post is hilarious.

S~ Aviar

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[Bobb4]

Don't get me wrong, I am ordering it, but seriously to think they could bring out another sim, hell they still have not finish this one yet.
My understanding is at present ten planes maximium multiplayer or the lag kills you...

[proton45]

"Soon"(?)...that is funny.

[DKoor]

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

but seriously to think they could bring out another sim, hell they still have not finish this one yet.
My understanding is at present ten planes maximium multiplayer or the lag kills you...

they dont plan to "finish it", they simply will make the missing items in it for sale as addons, expansions and features

the problem is that an unfinished product like that being sold to enough silly people willing to buy it can now be seen by RoF as validation that this sale model works, and that people are prepared to pay full price for that little content

me mentioning they are now already working on a ww2 sim based on the same "game concept" is not idle speculation i grabbed out of the air, i saw this from indications in post from some of their own programmers and designers in other forums

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by zapatista

they dont plan to "finish it", they simply will make the missing items in it for sale as addons, expansions and features

the problem is that an unfinished product like that being sold to enough silly people willing to buy it can now be seen by RoF as validation that this sale model works, and that people are prepared to pay full price for that little content

me mentioning they are now already working on a ww2 sim based on the same "game concept" is not idle speculation i grabbed out of the air, i saw this from indications in post from some of their own programmers and designers in other forums

Was not going to take a dig at another sim but, I will anyway.
I remember many months ago having a discussion on OFF about the pricing of their Phase 3.
I was lambasted because I told them the market would not support the high $50 price tag plus shipping. Well it is now selling for a more realistic to quote their site - NEW SPECIAL OFFER - OFF @ $29.99 (+p&p and taxes) see BUY page - Back on topic ROF is bright and shiny and new. But interest is already starting to disipate as reports of problems filter in.
The reason IL2 stood the test of time is because it was a basically sound product from the word go. Yes many patches later it is the near perfection we see today.
Unfortunately ROF is not a sound product. Why would I pay to fly a Fokker DR1 if I am already an ACE in an Albatros. Why would I pay to have winter landscape?
I would pay if the overall game worked, and I was dragged into the world through immersion. Yes buy the game I will, but I doubt I will be buying any add on planes until they offer something concrete in the way of dynamic campaign and better online play.
Unfortunately for them I am the same guy who would buy their WW2 sim. So if I am let down by ROF they cannot realistically expect me to buy their WW2 sim.

One thing I can say about Oleg, his sims have never let me down, even Il2 version one, you know the one, the one that had no flyable Stuka.
Hours of training just to learn how to land a plane properly. Who had ever heard of such a thing.

[Chivas]

Your right that the ROF developers are thinking of going into the WW2 flight sim market, but that in no way puts any pressure on the SOW developers. What I've seen from ROF is very good but no where near the detail the SOW developers are trying to achieve. Not that the ROF developers can't reach that level of detail, but I believe they are atleast a three years behind the development position of SOW.

[virre89]

He's been doing these anti RoF threads and posts before it's nothing new. I mean comon seriously what the hell do you want? a fight were everyone just hates RoF just because you don't like it?, truth to be told i think you hate it because you know it's good and you're such a fanboy of Olegs work which you haven't even seen in MOTION YET. (2006 videos in all glory but they ain't anything spectacular today 3 years later)

Seriously i see nothing but RoF bashing in the initial post. RoF will sell and it does sell , who the **** gives a crap about your opinion man it's not like somebody ain't gonna buy it because of your posts. I must admit it's rather funny seeing that you seem to have made it your task of life to inform everyone how bad RoF is without even testing it yourself. The developers of RoF ain't out to fool around with anyone and people who accept their business model will buy it just as people play WoW or anything else. (WoW is played by over 12 million still it's probably hated by twice as much)

Sick of the 2 plane whine argument, it never gets old does it? How cheap are you?. Did you ever play the initial IL2 at all... the game wasn't what it is today it was loaded with bugs and you didn't have 100s of aircrafts. Another famous game was loaded with bugs it was called OFP 1 and Armed Assault both indeed very popular and solid games after a few patches, sold very well. RoF isn't even that buggy it has it's issues but it's defiantly a solid and playable release.

I have no problem with 2 fly ables , I've no problem with buying small updates at a small price, seriously not everyone thinks like you, accept it. Anyway it's a myth that you'll have to pay for landscape and such. In RoF the engine updates will be free and content such as extra planes will cost a few bucks.

Chevas said it very nice with the comparison more or less oleg is doing the same but with larger updates at a larger price.