WOtif Hitler had NOT attacked Russia

[He111]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.

.. corporate state .. sounds about right, good if you own shares in these corporates, live in poverty if you don't.

1C released 1946 based on a what-if, which we all love, German and Soviet Alliance pact is another great what-if scenario.

Hey, i'm just trying to fill time while waiting for some news .. this forum is becoming as quiet as a grave ..

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[5./JG27.Farber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqos...feature=g-vrec

[swiss]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

What an a-hole.
Although I do understand his point I prefer to be nice to gov employees.
PPL complaining about BC are usually pro immigrant too...
Right, poor 'lil Mexicans. argh.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.

yes... National Socialism, with "Corporatism" the second you mention is the other face of that same coin

Originally Posted by =CfC= Father Ted

This is just bizarre!

What is the "clasical" definition of "facism", and how does it differ from the "new age (hippy)" one?

Please explain: "The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.."

Edit: thankyou Galway - though I think I'll leave the "bizarre" in

Well, "fascist" and "Nazi" is thrown out by those who do not like what the other person is saying, or as a putdown statement to opposition in an attempt to shut them up... all of which are inherent traits of a fascist (ie shutting down the opposition)

[Old-Banger]

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Old-Banger

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?

They would have come under fire from the Siegfried line?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Old-Banger

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?

France did occupy part of the Saar.

Wiki
The French assault was to be carried out by roughly 40 divisions, including one armoured division, three mechanized divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions. All the necessary forces were mobilised in the first week of September. On September 12, the Anglo French Supreme War Council gathered for the first time at Abbeville in France. It was decided that all offensive actions were to be halted immediately. By then, the French divisions have advanced approximately eight kilometres into Germany on a 24 kilometres long strip of the frontier in the Saarland area. Maurice Gamelin ordered his troops to stop not closer than 1 kilometre from the German positions along the Siegfried Line. Poland was not notified of this decision. Instead, Gamelin informed marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły that half of his divisions are in contact with the enemy, and that French advances have forced the Wehrmacht to withdraw at least six divisions from Poland. The following day, the commander of the French Military Mission to Poland, General Louis Faury, informed the Polish Chief of Staff, General Wacław Stachiewicz, that the planned major offensive on the western front had to be postponed from September 17 to September 20. At the same time, French divisions were ordered to retreat to their barracks along the Maginot Line.

[=CfC= Father Ted]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

This is just bizarre!

What is the "clasical" definition of "facism", and how does it differ from the "new age (hippy)" one?

Please explain: "The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.."

Edit: thankyou Galway - though I think I'll leave the "bizarre" in

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

i think he means the essence of fascism is the merging of the govt (state) and corporations...


also this changing the definition thing that the govt has been involved in was something George Orwell (Eric Blair) incorporated in to his book...this is what govts do...for instance the govt calls all drug narcotics...when in fact a narcotic is only referring to an opiate....why do this when its simply incorrect...to sensationalize...

another area in which this is commonly employed is the law...thats why in many laws they redefine the normal meanings of words, giving them a totally new meaning that applies only to the law...just another way to mislead the people...


the whole reason for this is to make it easier for the people to accept authoritarianism....

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by tk471138

i think he means the essence of fascism is the merging of the govt (state) and corporations...

But a tenant of NSDAP fascism was opposition to capitalism. The Nazi's saw corporate power as a threat to the well being of the state.

I think these days "fascism" has simply become synonymous with authoritarianism.

As a case in point, you regularly get people saying silly stuff like "fascism and communism are really the same thing" when the only thing they actually have in common is a propensity to resort to authoritarian rule.