Open Gays in military - how has it worked out?

[seaeye]

I served in the RN FAA for a few years. I actually went through basic training with a 'gay'. He eventually got the boot for not being up to scratch with his kit and attitude, but before he left he left a letter on another recruit's bed declaring his feelings. He wasn't forced out because he was gay though, he really was a total a**ehole.

On a similar subject, my father finished his RAF career off at a training establishment in the midlands where there were two serving 'out' transexuals. They even went as far as wearing womens uniform and went by their 'female' names.

I'm not against gays being gays, and I understand that some people are born with the wrong bits on the outside. Thing is, if they are that mixed up mentally, should and could they be relied on in high stress situations like say, a war, that the military tend to get involved in?

EDIT: I am talking about transexuals in the last part of my post, just to make it clear.

[bw_wolverine]

Someone's sexual orientation should have nothing to do with their service or ability to serve, military or otherwise.

I'm heterosexual. There are plenty of women where I work. I do not feel compelled to act inappropriately with them.

If someone can behave professionally at work, there's no workplace that should be denied to them. That's really all there is to it.

People write about lgbt issues and the military like it's 'inevitable' that if a gay person is in the military, they WILL try to have a relationship with another co-worker.

If someone can't keep it in their pants, whatever 'it' is, they should be held accountable...and unfortunately, that probably means that more HETEROsexual men would be kicked out of the military than gay people.

[Fearless_1]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm not trying to start a political post... so don't go there.

Do you have experience or have knowledge of this?

There are countries that have open gays in military and I am wondering how has that worked out?

My last 6 months of life in the United States Marines was good. I was proud to know that a victory had been won for American's who previously had to hide behind a mask to serve their country.

I knew of a few that came out after the repeal, and believe it it not, most of them were women. I know that discipline in the US armed forces is above all and that no one will get away with trying to drive gay and lesbian kids out of the service or into suicide.

One of the questions I asked at my old CO's brief was "Have other countries adopted a similar policy, and if so have they faced similar problems as servicemen here expect?"

They said that serving in Afghanistan with the Dutch blew their minds with the way everything was co-ed. They said that males and females shared all facilities. They said they never saw a break up in problems amongst the Brits, or French.

That brought me faith and pride.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Fearless_1

My last 6 months of life in the United States Marines was good. I was proud to know that a victory had been won for American's who previously had to hide behind a mask to serve their country.

I knew of a few that came out after the repeal, and believe it it not, most of them were women. I know that discipline in the US armed forces is above all and that no one will get away with trying to drive gay and lesbian kids out of the service or into suicide.

One of the questions I asked at my old CO's brief was "Have other countries adopted a similar policy, and if so have they faced similar problems as servicemen here expect?"

They said that serving in Afghanistan with the Dutch blew their minds with the way everything was co-ed. They said that males and females shared all facilities. They said they never saw a break up in problems amongst the Brits, or French.

That brought me faith and pride.

Are you kidding me it took you that long to figure out that there are female Marines that are gay. Females don't belong in the Corps. They belong in the Navy or Airforce and maybe the Army. And Marines aren't double dutching

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm not trying to start a political post... so don't go there.

Do you have experience or have knowledge of this?

There are countries that have open gays in military and I am wondering how has that worked out?

Well as one who spent 11 years in the military (4 RA, 5 AR, 2 ANG) and during that time worked with guys who were gay..

I would prefer a gay guy over a female on the battle field!

Now before anyone goes off the deep end..

I am not saying there are NO WOMEN out there that can pull their weight, all I am saying is that MOST of the women in the armed forces are NOT pulling their weight!

The US gov has been toying with our military in more ways than one, every social experience one can think of has been tried there. And for the most part it has not been good!

So Ill end with this

There are some women out there that are a mans equal.. So let them join!

Now if the politicians belied that too

Than they would not force the military to have two physical test (PT) standards, one for male and one for female!

My only fear is if the politician ever did address that, they would not raise the standard for the women up to the mens standard, but lower the mens standard down to the womens standard.. Than we would be in a real world of hurt IMHO!

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm not trying to start a political post... so don't go there.

Do you have experience or have knowledge of this?

There are countries that have open gays in military and I am wondering how has that worked out?

and why do you think the Spartan state was in decline they have always been around...just recent history has made a big deal out it.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

and why do you think the Spartan state was in decline they have always been around...just recent history has made a big deal out it.

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Hahah, Ace I like what you did there. Now that you mention it... Upon meeting women in the past Ive rammed my Hetrosexually down their throats ant they didnt really mind... Actually maybe thats different.


Indeed Swiss. However they can spot a hetro just the same and still insist on telling you they like sausage...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Now thats gay!!!

Originally Posted by swiss

It usually only takes 30 sec to tell they are fags.
Some of the "males" are harder to "spot" though.

Thank god there are still such insufferable rednecks around. How else would the rest of us know how not to behave.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Thank god there are still such unsufferable rednecks around. How else would the rest of us know how not to behave.

Look out! Woofta!

[tk471138]

do they segregate the homosexual service members from the hetrosexual ones...the reason i ask this is putting men who are attracted to other men is like putting men who are attracted to women in the womens quarters....

having men who are attracted to men shower with other men is akin to me as a hetrosexual male showering with females...

sure if i was attracted to men, the best thing for me to do was to join the military where i would live with other men and shower with other men ect...


if yo uwere a woman would you tolerate a stranger who is attracted to women live with you and shower with you???

so why should men tolerate this from those who are attracted to men?

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by tk471138

do they segregate the homosexual service members from the hetrosexual ones...the reason i ask this is putting men who are attracted to other men is like putting men who are attracted to women in the womens quarters....

having men who are attracted to men shower with other men is akin to me as a hetrosexual male showering with females...

sure if i was attracted to men, the best thing for me to do was to join the military where i would live with other men and shower with other men ect...


if yo uwere a woman would you tolerate a stranger who is attracted to women live with you and shower with you???

so why should men tolerate this from those who are attracted to men?

You would think this is logical and you would be right... However in todays modern world you'd be labelled a homophobic... This however is silly. As it means because you have applied logic and reason that you are in fact afraid of Homosexuals... Its a brave new socialist world we live in.