Your favourite WW2 guns

[Flanker15]

Originally Posted by David603

Okay, a brief description of the Boom and Zoom tactics I use when I fight in Il2, particularly when flying 109s. I like to hang around airfields, and hit people as they take off, or while they are still climbing to altitude, moving to the "combat zone" etc.

That's naughty, I got kicked for doing that.

My favorite BnZ tactic that works almost always when you encounter a TnB pilot:
Fly head on to the enemy plane, when they try to shoot you dive underneath their plane. Then pull into a steep climb and after you've climbed a good distance over your origonal hight slide over into a dive. Almost always the TnB pilot will start turning on the same alititued when you dive under them, so this manuver will put you in a high energy dive on a low energy truning or confused pilot. He'll be moving so slow you're going to tear him up 9/10 times.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Flanker15

That's naughty, I got kicked for doing that.

I don't see that it is actually wrong, there is nothing in the "rules" of combat that says you can't shoot down planes before the pilot thinks he is in danger and I don't actually fly over the airfields themselves because of the flak. Anyway I don't tend to stay in one place long enough to get people really annoyed about picking on planes that have just taken off. For example, I will fly towards an airfield, knock down the next plane I see taking off and then move out to the transit to combat zone and trying to catch someone heading towards to combat, and then go back to a position above the main dogfight. This way there is less chance of someone who might be stalking me getting a good firing position and using my own tactics on me.

[juz1]

Originally Posted by David603

I don't see that it is actually wrong, there is nothing in the "rules" of combat that says you can't shoot down planes before the pilot thinks he is in danger and I don't actually fly over the airfields themselves because of the flak. Anyway I don't tend to stay in one place long enough to get people really annoyed about picking on planes that have just taken off. For example, I will fly towards an airfield, knock down the next plane I see taking off and then move out to the transit to combat zone and trying to catch someone heading towards to combat, and then go back to a position above the main dogfight. This way there is less chance of someone who might be stalking me getting a good firing position and using my own tactics on me.

I didn't think camping/spawn kill was possible in il2....I was wrong....
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[David603]

Originally Posted by juz1

I didn't think camping/spawn kill was possible in il2....I was wrong....

Camping, no, I am moving around a lot, just trying to keep a good position, its really more like flanking, or real life sniping, which is very different to what you will see in Call of Duty.

Spawn killing, not really, if I go for someone taking off the guy has at least a minute to live because I won't come into range of the flak guns on his base, because these going off would alert him to there being an enemy in the immediate area and ruin the kill

[juz1]

[QUOTE=David603;90644]Camping, no, I am moving around a lot, [QUOTE]

this ain't no copter game...


my mates and I used to call your kind of tactics "Steve Davis"...

if it works for you fine, but if a tactic stops the fun if everyone does it then its not quite cricket....

and moving camping is called "patrolling" in some quarters...time to break out the rpgs and noob tubes stat whores get special attention !

just sayin...play it how you wanna...

just me and you logged on!! Night Night...
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[David603]

Originally Posted by juz1

this ain't no copter game...


my mates and I used to call your kind of tactics "Steve Davis"...

if it works for you fine, but if a tactic stops the fun if everyone does it then its not quite cricket....

and moving camping is called "patrolling" in some quarters...time to break out the rpgs and noob tubes stat whores get special attention !

just sayin...play it how you wanna...

just me and you logged on!! Night Night...

I don't mind if everyone uses these tactics, I know how to use them and how to counter them, though it would cut down on some of the easier kills if people were more aware of their surroundings and position.

I suppose it is the airborne equivalent of sniping, which I suspect isn't much fun for the troops on the other end. However, it isn't impossible to counter, all you need to do is climb to altitude yourself when you get a chance and then come looking for me, I'm quite happy to engage in such 1v1 altitude fights with little or no chance of outside interference. Also, if I was really being unsporting, I would fly a jet and use the same tactics, they are even better in this role and virtually impossible to catch.

Anyway, would you mind defining moving camping, it seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Are you saying trying to retain an altitude advantage over you enemies is camping?

Also, I don't get the Steve Davis reference. Would you care to elaborate?

[mondo]

Originally Posted by juz1

I didn't think camping/spawn kill was possible in il2....I was wrong....

Think of it differently. Its a valid tactic and was used extensivly. The 2nd TAF and 9th AF specialised in this sort of thing.

What it boils down to is the defending airforce should protect its airstrip.

[Flanker15]

Originally Posted by mondo

Think of it differently. Its a valid tactic and was used extensivly. The 2nd TAF and 9th AF specialised in this sort of thing.

What it boils down to is the defending airforce should protect its airstrip.

It's ok in some missions where everyone agrees to it and it's a special mission circumstance (a historic recreation for example)

On almost all servers there's a gentleman's agreement not to, as people play to dogfight each other and getting shot up when you can't fight back yet over and over isn't going to be a good experience for anyone.
Most of the time when it happens you can't rely on other planes to protect the airfield as they'll be miles away in an engagement or stuck on the ground with you (as your allies get shot down they end up stuck with you until the whole team is getting shot to pieces by vulchers).
You are allowed to attack planes on the ground with bombs and rockets if it's your mission to attack the airfield however.

If you end up getting vulched repeatedly a last resort tactic is:
Change to a bomber of some sort and outfit the largest bombs available (you know where this is going). Sit on the ground and wait for the offending aircraft to come in for a pass and as he moves over you, drop the bombs. The wonderful shrapnel system in Il-2 will swiss cheese his plane and send him into the ground (netting you a kill). Then you just change back and take off.

[haitch40]

or u can get a bomber with tones of guns and use it as an AA site

[Soviet Ace]

If I meet any of you online, and you try to BnZ me (David ) you better make sure I get shot down, or I'm coming for you