Campaigns as Axis?

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by David603

In reply to Anton Yudintsev,

(1)Kenneth Christie(2002)85,000 ethnic Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians deported between 1940-41, of which 55,000 killed or died.
(2)CIA report on "Katryn Controversy". On 5th March 1940, Stalin signed their death warrant--an NKVD order condemning 21,857 to "the supreme penalty: shooting".
(3)Richard Overy: Russia's War(1997) regarding POWs during WWII "official figures show ca. 580,000 deaths"

I will be adding more references, but finding the figures takes time and I want to save what I have written down in case something happens to my computer.

Oh, yeah.
Especially this CIA is imperssive.
Once again - stop talking about things you don't understand - or provide links to DOCUMENTS. They are open now, so everyone can take a look.

Only last one is about PoW, right?
Once again, living in USSR during WW2 was very hard. Soviet people were starving and died. A lot of them. Because there was no food. Living as PoW was not easy - but it was not as hard as living in a, let's say, Leningrad.
How do you expect all of them could survive? Some of them were wounded. There were diseases. They were living in a bad conditions - as well as all soldiers and a lot of citizens.

But they were fed more than, some of Soldiers soldiers on a Frontlines!
And some of German soldiers WERE executed. After trial, and IF they guilty in killing citizens - not just because they were Germans.

I am writing a letter to moderator.
Bye.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

I am writing a letter to moderator.
Bye.

This seems somewhat unfair. You asked me to find evidence, for the figures I quoted and I have attempted to do so. My figures come from books I own, not the internet, and I cannot provide links to these. The CIA report can be accessed by searching "the Katryn controversy", in www.cia.gov.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by David603

This seems somewhat unfair.

Yeah, it is.
Denying Nazi's crimes, and denying Holoucast is something that violates the law.
Providing the links to artistic books, 'prooving' that USSR had commited war crimes during WW2 - is something that violates common sense, and should be pubished as well.
The world is unfair, and I think, that even first violation is enough to make you banned.
And I actually warned you.

But, I am not moderator. Probably, he won't do anything.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

Yeah, it is.
Denying Nazi's crimes, and denying Holoucast is something that violates the law.
Providing the links to artistic books, 'prooving' that USSR had commited war crimes during WW2 - is something that violates common sense, and should be pubished as well.
The world is unfair, and I think, that even first violation is enough to make you banned.
And I actually warned you.

But, I am not moderator. Probably, he won't do anything.

You have definitely misunderstood what I intended to say. Perhaps I did not express my opinions fully enough. I do not deny the Holocaust happened, indeed I fully believe that more than 6 million Jews and other minority members died in concentration camps under Hitler. I do not deny the Nazi's commited many war crimes. I was simply asking for some balance, because all too often the eyes of the world are concentrated on Germanys war crimes alone, and ignore those commited by others.

I did not provide the link to said artistic book, you are confusing my posts with those of guiltyspark.

I withdrew the allegation that Russian troops committed widescale rape in countries they occupied, because the more I search the more I am convinced such instances were isolated, and condemmed by Russian authority. If you would like, I will edit that out of the original post.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by David603

I did not provide the link to said artistic book, you are confusing my posts with those of guiltyspark.

Sorry, but your links are not much better.
Some of them are propaganda at least.
Some are not related to _war_ crimes at all.

I withdrew the allegation that Russian troops committed widescale rape in countries they occupied, because the more I search the more I am convinced such instances were isolated, and condemmed by Russian authority. If you would like, I will edit that out of the original post.

It will be just fine, if you'll stop discuss war crimes from now on
Your last post is much better than those one in the beginning.
Let's stop here.

[gozorak]

holocaust denial is thankfully not a violation of any US law...I dont think such lunacy should be made illegal and in this country thankfully we do have protections for even the most politically abhorant speech,,,which is a good thing because it makes it easier to tell who the morons are when they are denying the most obvious of historical facts.

All I want is to be able to sim an ME-163B through a formation of B-17's...that would be so cool..and its just a game...lol

[worthless]

This is the Campaigns as Axis thread right? under the IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey simulation game?

For a second I thought I had stumbled into United Nations 101 "dictators are bad egomaniacs" or " How to right all wrongs in a video game forum"

All I want is to be able to sim an ME-163B through a formation of B-17's...that would be so cool..and its just a game...lol[/QUOTE]

You said it all right there add in ME 262, AR 234 vs Remagen bridge ........ also any Italian plane vs North Africa/Malta of course with prior apologies to my fire bombing British friends

see you in the skies on XBOX LIVE