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Old 07-14-2009, 08:53 AM
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I can't run it on my PC so my friend had to help me out.

he has a quad w/ 2.66 ghz pc.


I'm using my Microsoft 'new OS' approach.

1. wait and see the damage.
2. wait for a patchable or version that runs reliably.
3. wait and see the non MS support community behind it + extra apps.
4. buy, patch, and install (for this game, i'd be play).


I'm going to wait on ROF.

why?

short version:

DRM turns me off esp w/ better DRM methods out there.

ROF bugs are big. They forgot Rule #3 of game fight club. release beta = betamaxed. Don't release beta. (rule 1 n 2 talk about the game club to everyone). Still though pest control (patience + beating up a pillow / punching bag) will work. Somtimes.

ROF content is low. I feel like I just bought a box of my favorite ceral, opened the box, split the plastic bag's top and find it half full. And 5 crunch berries, when the picture has half of it berries and cereal.

However the modeling, physics and eye candy (graphics) is good so if they fix it, its worth it, so I will wait.


Support the flight sim devs, yes. This is why I will get a 2nd copy of IL-2 for backup (one DVD will travel). But support a product that was rushed through QA? This happens more than it should for the video game community. And lower expectations of intended audience is partly to blame.




long version:






first the good:

Gorgeous graphics, excellent physics, and realistic WW I flying. Yes you can crash (planes) just cuz. Wind blows too strong, smack. Squirrelly movements check.

then the bad:

1. the DRM thing. I buy my games. I don't want to be penalized because of some pirate paranoia. Look at Microsoft, they've been fighting pirates and ninjas and you can torrent a modded Vista that runs smoother than a trimmed Pony. Millions and months spent on DRM that the electronic army of hackers undoes in a day. I d/l games to test to see if I like and if I like I buy it. If I don't like it gets erased.

(I'm going to buy backup copy of IL-2 46 dvd). There are so many user friendly ways to implement DRM and they went the hardline. So I'll wait until a good patch / hack / mod / DRM method switch happens.


2. Bugs. I am tired of being punked by game dev companies. Like Age Of Conan ( more like age of crash on). First my friend said registering Rise was a challenge (waiting to time out, then retry etc), and he's tech savvy. On my ROF play, got CTD once, and locked up several times, looked for online connection.

And my friend has solid internet (he plays MMO's and FPS hard core.)

We tried selecting a plane and it says cant access it, then we back out to main menu and back in and NOW can select it.

I'm ok with the funky voice acting, but during a mission when the game quits and blacks out, then you're greeted by your desktop and flash of a window some error message that appears and disappears in the same instant . . .

The fight for good quality continues. I will not be betamaxed and waste $$ and time on something that should have been QA'd properly. And this is basic to any product.


3. loading like playstation. Ok his rig is powerful. It can run 3 instances of Left 4 Dead, two Lord of the Rings online's and run in desktop or in either games as if no thing else is being ran.

He can even render Lightwave style while playing Left 4 Dead (1 instance).

We had some laughs, were waiting for ROF to load, and he switched to Left 4, played a bit, went to check ROF, loading


4. Weak sauce content. 2 planes? Ok, they're trying the Valve angle / Blizzard Starcraft 2 model. Release a 3rd of the game, then more. Ok. But Valve and Blizz are industry heavy hitters and neoqb's the new kid on the block (does neoqb rhym with n00b? ). Valve and Blizzard can make this call given their position.

2 planes and some missions doesn't have the scope of the theater they're trying to represent.

5. buying new planes. I could support this, but being stingy with only 2 planes upon release means they're out for $$. I was laughing at the post on the ubi forums where someone said if this was IL-2, it would have only IL-2 and ME-109 to play lol.

And only 2 planes harkens to this japanese 8 bit ww2 sim where you could fly a cream yellow or green zero or something that looked like a mustang in USN hellcat colors. it was from arcade tail end 3rd person view perspective and you could bomb, torpedo, and shoot at incoming planes ships etc. But thats cuz memory was premium, 8 bit gaming was new frontier.

But this is 09, variety is the spice of life. And IL-2 has raised the standards.

Give something more than 5 planes each side. And more missions, heck maybe even one bomber biplane and missions like that. I don't care if its old school where a gunner uses a modified sextant to aim, picks up a bomb from the basket, and arms the bomb and holds it over the side.

I'm waiting for the 10 planes for $10 sale! It seems they know how rare WW I sims are so they're milking it.

6. The ubi forms post has lots of posts w/ a near fanatical fanboy ism of this game. I'd think lots of people would be wanting this game due to the starving nature of WW I sim and the rarity of good sims of that era.

I notice here, like ubi, flaws of the game and neoqb's shortcomings are overlooked because of the eye candy graphics, the 'ohhh and ahhhh' of a flight sim and the accurate flight model. But ROF has the bugs, the issues, the lack of content, lots of missing qualities from stellar games that should've been there from the start.

Ok, I can understand beggars can't be choosers right? A hungry man's gotta eat? And if your diet is only WW I sims . . . when anything edible shows up, bon appetit, even if its a rat burger (demolition man anyone?). But like Ash, I choose you IL-Two!


Support the sim community. Yes, if product is good. But I don't think so, if its not. I mean, if you buy a buggy product, you are telling the manufacturer you're willing to take something less than the top notch quality we all deserve.

Forget all the doomsaying Flight Sims are dying. IL-2 is just as popular. 7 years and you can still find a strong community going for that. Only games I know of with that longevity are a few MMO's (Asheron's Call) and classics like Nintendo's on its Wii.

Alot of the posts praising ROF seem to be skewed by the lack of good WW I flight sims, heck even WW I sims period (ya it hurts we can count them on our fingers since x86 days) so once one comes up, with graphics and decent flight model its "next best thing since sliced bread" despite the shortcomings.

Ahh, takes more than just eye candy to sell me.

But at least none of the issues are what I would call game breaking. Game hesitant to buy, yes.


So I'll wait for more content, patches to fix the bugs, and hacks / replacement of the DRM.

Plus I have to build a PC, and that takes time cuz I'm going CH for IL-2 first.

See . . . but what if BOB SOW comes out. And also I'm waiting on Starcraft 2, and Mass Effect 2. ROF could slip under the radar . . .


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Old 07-16-2009, 08:49 AM
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:41 AM
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Neobq also added the D.5 Ablatros, the Nieuport 28 for free.
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:48 PM
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The free Albatros convinced me - luv that plane - , but I got to say that I'm not impressed that much. It has potential, no doubt, it's fun and it looks great, but I also know now why 4 hours were enought to see it all...

If it only would have adjustable sensitivity (at least they are considering that, now...), I could say something about flight-modell and stuff. With a Saitek-HOTAS, you are fighting your input a lot more than the flightmodel itself.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:27 PM
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The free Albatros convinced me - luv that plane - , but I got to say that I'm not impressed that much. It has potential, no doubt, it's fun and it looks great, but I also know now why 4 hours were enought to see it all...

If it only would have adjustable sensitivity (at least they are considering that, now...), I could say something about flight-modell and stuff. With a Saitek-HOTAS, you are fighting your input a lot more than the flightmodel itself.
"I could say something about flight-modell and stuff. With a Saitek-HOTAS, you are fighting your input a lot more than the flightmodel itself. "

I disagree with that Feurfalke, ( I have an X52 Pro setup myself) but this is how it was anyway by all accounts, big adjustment from the comparitively "fly by wire" IL-2 birds lol and you can't relax much at all. Throttle/RPM adjustment is key, its very difficult at first but its as Thunderbolt says, its the way it was. Wind and turbulence are also big factors, you will find yourself crabbing due to a strong gust alone, these things were lightweight. You go full throttle, and unless you "Trim" your stick with some rope you will end up with a sore arm (I was one of the first in Europe to get it retail) Adjustable sensitivity would be great for those who want it, but not flying at full throttle all the time and getting mix and radiator settings right works wonders too, especially in dives. Personally, I feel the FMs are hands down the best thing about it by a country mile, a lot of others feel that way too.

Agree that its fun, but yes at present 4 hours tells you pretty much the whole story so far. GUI and Map interface improvements are pending.....and maybe more in next patch. Like you say, the key word is potential and lets hope it fulfills it. Something to amuse myself with until "Storm Of Waiting" shows up anyway I'm enjoying it despite its flaws, particularly the Albatros which is my fave ride by far, and looks great (Fokker too twitchy for my liking ).

Roll on September, hope theres something worth seeing from 1c.

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Old 07-16-2009, 09:59 PM
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Yes, Orville, that was my impression at first, too.

I though "Wow, the wind feels great on the light planes" and was fascinated by the sluggish feeling. Then I tried the game with my CH HOTAS and adjusted curves and I could snipe a pilot from 500m in a Albatros - not even to mention the much more stable Spad13.

It's also not really realistic how the planes respond. Okay, I only flew once in a radial-engine biplane, but it felt a lot different - especially on the ground. In RoF if you kick the rudder you can turn without moving forward and against the skid the back of your plane is lying on. We had a wheel on our biplane and it didn't like that without applying that much throttle, that the plane at least slightly moved forward when turning.
It also has little to no effect when starting or stopping the engine. In IL2 this effect is like 10 times stronger and they had a much different prop-weight/resistance to planeweight ratio.

You should also play the game online a bit. Some people also know about the sensitivity trick. Depending on who you fly against, they'll shoot 10 times in a row with less 1 second burst, no matter from what angle they're coming, while other planes twitch and twiggle around like you and I do with the X52

As I posted: Great potential, but not quite there, yet.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:03 PM
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Neobq also added the D.5 Ablatros, the Nieuport 28 for free.
As they should have as they were to be there in the first place.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:12 PM
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True.
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:36 PM
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Anyway abit offtopic for the discussion but a "in your face" kinda thing..
Command and Conquer 4 , yes as far away from a ww2 simulation you can get , have just announced that they require constant internet connection while playing, even for Single Player à La RoF.. just thought some people should realize this is a buisniss model that is gonna get even more common with the years to come... even for casual games..
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:55 PM
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Anyway abit offtopic for the discussion but a "in your face" kinda thing..
Command and Conquer 4 , yes as far away from a ww2 simulation you can get , have just announced that they require constant internet connection while playing, even for Single Player à La RoF.. just thought some people should realize this is a buisniss model that is gonna get even more common with the years to come... even for casual games..
It might become more common, if people knowingly buy software that behaves that way. I won't be buying software like that.
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