ROF is out on may 7th

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

the game utilize some of the latest graphic solutions on the market.

if you'r living in siberia maybe, the scenery looks like crap to me, old il2 trees on top of flat painted tiles that have no detail in them

Originally Posted by virre89

you had to bash it since the DRM doesn't suit you.

i dont care about what DRM is or will be, but i will only buy good products that are convenient for me to use whenever and wherever I want to, rather then just when some greasy haired con men think so.

to me you sound like a fanboy who'd give his soul just so he can play with a new toy, while not minding he is getting shafted by a demon at the same time

Originally Posted by virre89

Have some faith in the developers for god sake,

why ? it was a hyped product all along. it attracted attention because there was a lack of new fligtsims in the last yr or 2. pre release testing shows it is VERY buggy and they are trying to rush it out the door to recoup some money while they can. its got a wiff about it that reminds me of the wings over vietnam fiasco

Originally Posted by virre89

I tell you this, if you wanna miss out on such a great title just because of the copy protection so be it, you're loss dude and you won't be missed.
Truth is the once that were gonna buy it and really want it they buy it no matter what protection it has, i for once wouldn't miss out on it

wew is you and your bestest friend going to buy it ? and all the other kids at your skool that dont buy it isnt going to be cool and hip, just 'cause you'r cracking a stiffy at the thought of pretending to be the red baron ?

might be good enough reason for you, but the rest of the world makes their decisions based on somewhat different criteria.
- the scenery it looks like crap to me, its flat, lifeless, and has lots of old il2 trees bunched up to pretend and make it 3D.
- the planes look nice enough, but only in the same way that the il2 current planes with updated skins look nice, its got no leap forward in detail in the same way that olegs new BoB planes do
- no offline play
- no lan play, no direct pc connection play
- no dynamic campaign for solo or coop play (only on the internet)
- some big brother thing it will tag my pc and track whatever happens on it and with it, without my permission
- you need to pay to fly new planes they make, even if others already fly them against you online

no thanks, they sure aint getting my 50$


the only thing i thought looked pretty good from some of the previews, is the demo vid where they show the little balloons tracking airflow around the aircraft, and this changing with the engine being rev'd on the ground (postulating there is complex airflow/object interaction being modeled in the sky, but that is a wait and see issue to see how well it improves flight modeling). but i saw no mention of the complex airflow and weather modeling oleg is building, so that could be a fizzer to.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

if you'r living in siberia maybe, the scenery looks like crap to me, old il2 trees on top of flat painted tiles that have no detail in them

If you fail to see the technological advancements that's being utilized in the product you're nothing but a failure to yourself. It's not even worth discussing since you're arguments are nothing but bs. Do you know anything about hardware , software and game development? If so then you might wanna reconsider.

Originally Posted by zapatista

i dont care about what DRM is or will be, but i will only buy good products that are convenient for me to use whenever and wherever I want to, rather then just when some greasy haired con men think so.

to me you sound like a fanboy who'd give his soul just so he can play with a new toy, while not minding he is getting shafted by a demon at the same time

I am the fanboy ?
Seriously who's the fanatic here..
You're the one bashing the product before it's even released and making false accusations while trying to spread the word about "OH the almighy Neoqb is coming to fool us with a product worse than IL2 only to piss people off and let's wait for the SAINT Storm of War instead people".

Originally Posted by zapatista

why ? it was a hyped product all along. it attracted attention because there was a lack of new fligtsims in the last yr or 2. pre release testing shows it is VERY buggy and they are trying to rush it out the door to recoup some money while they can. its got a wiff about it that reminds me of the wings over vietnam fiasco

First of all, pre-release testing shows huh?
Source plox?

It's been in development for over 3 years and it has nothing to do with Wings of Vietnam , another pathetic attempt to bash the product to make you feel better about yourself. (why are you even wasting your time kid)

And if RoF is a hyped product what isn't BoB then?
You claim me to be the fanboy while you're worshiping oleg confident of how it's already gonna be a 10x leap over RoF and all the others sims out there without even seeing a SINGLE game play video of it and rarly hearing any information at all.

Originally Posted by zapatista

might be good enough reason for you, but the rest of the world makes their decisions based on somewhat different criteria.
- the scenery it looks like crap to me, its flat, lifeless, and has lots of old il2 trees bunched up to pretend and make it 3D.
- the planes look nice enough, but only in the same way that the il2 current planes with updated skins look nice, its got no leap forward in detail in the same way that olegs new BoB planes do
- no offline play
- no lan play, no direct pc connection play
- no dynamic campaign for solo or coop play (only on the internet)
- some big brother thing it will tag my pc and track whatever happens on it and with it, without my permission
- you need to pay to fly new planes they make, even if others already fly them against you online

no thanks, they sure aint getting my 50$


the only thing i thought looked pretty good from some of the previews, is the demo vid where they show the little balloons tracking airflow around the aircraft, and this changing with the engine being rev'd on the ground (postulating there is complex airflow/object interaction being modeled in the sky, but that is a wait and see issue to see how well it improves flight modeling). but i saw no mention of the complex airflow and weather modeling oleg is building, so that could be a fizzer to.

Another bash attempt here we go...
Since WHEN do you know why i I buy this product?
Since WHEN do you know why everyone else doesn't or does buy it?
(pathetic once again)

I've yet to see the fake 3d models you're on about however there is no secret that in a flight simulation you've to make sacrifices in favor for performance. Seriously you can't draw over 500.000 trees that are true 100% detailed 3d models and expect to run it on a high end machine today...
I am sure that if it was possible in terms of time, money and system requirements the ROF team would love to have Crysis graphics on the ground for all entities and units just as much as the Crysis team would love to have insane flight aerodynamics and a world gameplay map as large as the one in RoF, but you see they're two different games focusing entirely on their own agenda not world domination and perfection in every corner.
(use your brain please i beg you)

Take a good look at the scenery again before you judge the game, it's not even worth discussing with you. I am glad you're not being a part of it's community tho such a wanky whiner.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

If you fail to see the technological advancements that's being utilized in the product you're nothing but a failure to yourself.

lol you cant even think rationally

the low level aerial view and ground level views look pretty crappy, it is empty and bland. do we have to light a few joints and get in a special mood to see something revolutionary there ? its flat, empty, lifeless and boring with a few of the old dated il2 trees

Originally Posted by virre89

You're the one bashing the product before it's even released and making false accusations while trying to spread the word about "OH the almighy Neoqb is coming to fool us with a product worse than IL2 only to piss people off and let's wait for the SAINT Storm of War instead people".

what is a bit odd is that you keep being the one that turns up here and hypes this over rated crap here, maybe you got lost somewhere with all that complex clickedy-click you have to do in a browser to navigate the web, but you landed in an il2/BoB forum here

Originally Posted by virre89

And if RoF is a hyped product what isn't BoB then?
You claim me to be the fanboy while you're worshiping oleg confident of how it's already gonna be a 10x leap over RoF and all the others sims out there without even seeing a SINGLE game play video of it and rarly hearing any information at all.

your having another brain fart, got lost in where you are again ?

lemme help you out, yeps your again in an il2/BoB forum ! and guess what, thats where people get their updates on BoB and discuss it, not every other flying turd that grabs the short attention span of your limited brain power. want to discuss flying turds, go to the turd forum, you've even been warned by the moderators here before

and since you seem to know so little about il2/BoB, the 1946 addon cd already had ingame video from BoB, or did the pirated copy you downloaded not include the 2 cd ? ooops, catch you out there with your trousers down did we ?

Originally Posted by virre89

I've yet to see the fake 3d models you're on about however there is no secret that in a flight simulation you've to make sacrifices in favor for performance. Seriously you can't draw over 500.000 trees that are true 100% detailed 3d models and expect to run it on a high end machine today...

there you go again, blabbering on as if you know something profound about gaming without having a clue, and just making a string of excuses for what looks like a pretty crappy game. of course if you use 5000 of oleg's old tree types in RoF will you need a quad cray with liquid nitrogen cooling, but that the point now isnt it ? just go and refresh your mind at how stunning some of olegs new trees look compared to the old il2 ones, and hey guess what, you'll have heaps of them to running on a modern pc.

and btw, even the free new scenery maps for the il2 mods look heaps better than RoF imo, just have a little search for Canon's UK maps, and the new BoB maps being made for which screenshots have been posted on the main il2 forums in the last months.

Originally Posted by virre89

I am sure that if it was possible in terms of time, money and system requirements the ROF team would love to have Crysis graphics on the ground for all entities and units just as much as the Crysis team would love to have insane flight aerodynamics and a world gameplay map as large as the one in RoF, but you see they're two different games focusing entirely on their own agenda not world domination and perfection in every corner.

and there my little internet troll you have stepped right in the poop again

because if you look at oleg's work in progress, thats exactly what a next level new flightsim should take us, and by oleg reports of progress that is exactly what he is aiming for. the ground objects and planes look absolutely stunning in detail, so good in fact many of us are speculating it might incorporate a 1e person shooter environment at some point.

add to that online-offline play, dynamic campaigns, a reputable product from a designer with a good track record, well you get my drift, it's gonna be a hoot and no hype needed.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

lol you cant even think rationally

the low level aerial view and ground level views look pretty crappy, it is empty and bland. do we have to light a few joints and get in a special mood to see something revolutionary there ? its flat, empty, lifeless and boring with a few of the old dated il2 trees




what is a bit odd is that you keep being the one that turns up here and hypes this over rated crap here, maybe you got lost somewhere with all that complex clickedy-click you have to do in a browser to navigate the web, but you landed in an il2/BoB forum here



your having another brain fart, got lost in where you are again ?

lemme help you out, yeps your again in an il2/BoB forum ! and guess what, thats where people get their updates on BoB and discuss it, not every other flying turd that grabs the short attention span of your limited brain power. want to discuss flying turds, go to the turd forum, you've even been warned by the moderators here before

and since you seem to know so little about il2/BoB, the 1946 addon cd already had ingame video from BoB, or did the pirated copy you downloaded not include the 2 cd ? ooops, catch you out there with your trousers down did we ?




there you go again, blabbering on as if you know something profound about gaming without having a clue, and just making a string of excuses for what looks like a pretty crappy game. of course if you use 5000 of oleg's old tree types in RoF will you need a quad cray with liquid nitrogen cooling, but that the point now isnt it ? just go and refresh your mind at how stunning some of olegs new trees look compared to the old il2 ones, and hey guess what, you'll have heaps of them to running on a modern pc.

and btw, even the free new scenery maps for the il2 mods look heaps better than RoF imo, just have a little search for Canon's UK maps, and the new BoB maps being made for which screenshots have been posted on the main il2 forums in the last months.




and there my little internet troll you have stepped right in the poop again

because if you look at oleg's work in progress, thats exactly what a next level new flightsim should take us, and by oleg reports of progress that is exactly what he is aiming for. the ground objects and planes look absolutely stunning in detail, so good in fact many of us are speculating it might incorporate a 1e person shooter environment at some point.

add to that online-offline play, dynamic campaigns, a reputable product from a designer with a good track record, well you get my drift, it's gonna be a hoot and no hype needed.

Well my friend you just proved to yourself and everyone around here that your an immature little kid just looking for a fight, pm me if you've some real answers to my posts above instead of pathetically trying to insult me in every single one of you're replies. It's entertaining to see you try tho , I'll guess i'll go make some popcorn as well

The board is IL2 it's not even about SoW , but hey whatever right, the topic is about RoF stick to it.
I don't know but maybe you think that everyone who stands by RoF or buys it will hate SoW or does hate SoW and IL2?
Been playing il2 for as long as i can remember and the same goes for looking forward to BoB, now i can't say that i am disappointed when another quality sim of the same level pops up and takes us back to ww1 aviation..

And for the record i do own the 1946 DVD
(2 and half year old video mate, and i can't say that it's looking stunning judging by that ) *caught fanboy*

Last but not least pm me your sources of a buggy / dead environment of RoF and include the Fake 3d models , I'd love to see them you know

[JG52Uther]

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[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

Well my friend .... ... ... ., I'd love to see them you know

and, thats it ? nothing more interesting to say ?

you'r even pretty pathetic as a troll

just had a read of a review on a blog from a beta tester (the rock paper shotgun site), if its correct what he said you only get 2 flyable planes with the game !! lol, your dad is gonna love you when you come every 2 weeks to him for another 50$ for the next new aircraft released that you have to buy. for those of us living in real life the whole scheme seems idiotic and poorly thought out.

and now i have a riddle for those intending to buy RoF, do you think the newer planes they will have on sale later will be better/worse, faster/slower, bigger/smaller guns, etc then the stock 2 you get with the initial game you buy ? i guess we all know the answer already, unless you keep buying whatever new crap they they keep releasing you wont be competitive online.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by zapatista

now i have a riddle for those intending to buy RoF, do you think the newer planes they will have on sale later will be better/worse, faster/slower, bigger/smaller guns, etc then the stock 2 you get with the initial game you buy ? i guess we all know the answer already, unless you keep buying whatever new crap they they keep releasing you wont be competitive online.

I have had a guy blow me out of the sky flying a P11, after that I stopped worrying about Uber planes I worry more about the skills of the pilot.
A good pilot will fly rings around a bad pilot in a good plane...
To extend your argument you would need to add ping, lag, screen resolution and frame rate into the equation. Hell if I wanted fair I would fly against the AI only

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

I have had a guy blow me out of the sky flying a P11, after that I stopped worrying about Uber planes I worry more about the skills of the pilot.
A good pilot will fly rings around a bad pilot in a good plane...
To extend your argument you would need to add ping, lag, screen resolution and frame rate into the equation. Hell if I wanted fair I would fly against the AI only

maybe true in some cases where the better pilot with an inferior machine can gain the upper hand, but all things being equal the "better" plane has an advantage, otherwise you would have citroen 2CV's participating in F1 racing

as i am sure you understood, the point is that if the better planes in RoF will only be allocated to those that keep spending the most money then there is a serious problem in the way it is designed. but i suspect by its creators its just seen as a "feature" added to increase the money they can squeeze from their ever dwindling customer base.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

and, thats it ? nothing more interesting to say ?

you'r even pretty pathetic as a troll

just had a read of a review on a blog from a beta tester (the rock paper shotgun site), if its correct what he said you only get 2 flyable planes with the game !! lol, your dad is gonna love you when you come every 2 weeks to him for another 50$ for the next new aircraft released that you have to buy. for those of us living in real life the whole scheme seems idiotic and poorly thought out.

and now i have a riddle for those intending to buy RoF, do you think the newer planes they will have on sale later will be better/worse, faster/slower, bigger/smaller guns, etc then the stock 2 you get with the initial game you buy ? i guess we all know the answer already, unless you keep buying whatever new crap they they keep releasing you wont be competitive online.

What an empty argument, still awaiting your sources for your previous arguments roffel.
It's just obvious your spitting shit out of your mouth and all around you just to harass everyone that buys RoF since it doesn't fit your imaginary game of the year, seriously let us pay for it and don't worry about us, I'll tell you after initial release how much of a "waste" it was to pay 50$ on this game.

I'll quote a SIMHQ Admin on this because he said it so well;

cs Thor, the problem isn't people who have reservations in general. Most of us have reservations in general about this system that NeoQb has put into place.

What is bothersome are the individuals that are what I call 'one trick ponies'. YOu know the types. These are guys that will enter a thread called, 'New ROF pics' and will immediately start hammering on the devs for the softward check system or whatever. When told that they should knock it off they then scream about how important it is that everyone know what kind of meenies this company or that company is because they mandate some kind of software system and so on and so on.

We've seen this plainly with SF in the past. I know, say Starforce three times and the beast will rise again but it is a perfect example of how any thread was ruined by self appointed messengers who felt that any thread had to have at least ten references to the evil, horrendous Starforce (that's two) so consumers would be able to make an 'intelligent' decision. Of course that decision had to be one that the messenger felt was appropriate.

It is fine you have pricipals but when people start interjecting their personal agendas into every thread then it goes beyond having your principal to trying to impose your beliefs on others. If no one can discuss one aspect of a game without another person shoving another aspect in their face then there will be no discussion at all.

I still think that the best way to discuss things like DRM (which the sign in every time to play the game really is) is to have a forum about it. We put a big sign at the top of the forum to direct people with curiousities about that forum. All we ask is that the people there be members of SimHq and sign in. However there are bunches of folks that consider this small request to be some kind of great burden on humanity and another big fight starts after that.

Sorry but after day after day of reading this stuff, followed by constant arguments that we are somehow suppressing the information because we want people to be actual members of SimHq to read the DRM arguments and we get a little bit tainted and irritated, and we start to become sarcastic.

I wish people would become this exercised and involved with their own countries problems instead of jumping on the white horse over a 45 dollar video game. Maybe some of the world's problems wouldn't be so bad.

You fit the description 99,9 %.

Besides you're going personal about this.. involving my dad and friends as a way to insult me, seriously dude it's way to obvious that you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

I'd say a ban of you would soon be in place..

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

just to harass everyone that buys RoF since it doesn't fit your imaginary game of the year, seriously let us pay for it and don't worry about us, I'll tell you after initial release how much of a "waste" it was to pay 50$ on this game.

you really cant think rationally, can you ?

go and get all exited with your bestest friends at the RoF forums and swap spit there, nobody from the il2/BoB forums will come and bother you there, just dont come and promote that junk in the il2/BoB forum and expect people to look uncritically at whatever latest toy you get all exited over

Originally Posted by virre89

I'll quote a SIMHQ Admin on this because he said it so well;

learn how to think for yourself if you ever want to understand how the world functions, and maybe start by not blindly quoting things you dont understand

simhq is a commercial venture, and nowadays is a website and forum that is run to make money (it wasnt at its inception, but was later sold by its original creator), and by the looks of that admin post there is a large volume of negative comments on RoF in their forums and simhq is now worried it risks reducing the revenue they can make from RoF game/retail advertisers. if anything their statement is an indication of censorship and how they try to contain negative posts by blocking discussion on this issue (seems most people that intended to, now wont buy the game), in past instances simhq were able to walk the fine line without using censorship and i thought they managed controversial issues fairly well, this time they havnt.

Originally Posted by virre89

Besides you're going personal about this..

you poor thing, are those nasty people on the internet being rude to you for no reason ? i'll give you a hint, but you'r going to have to start figuring some of your life out yourself because there wont always be nice people like myself to help you out

just re-read your own recent one sided fanboy type posts promoting RoF in the il2/BoB forum here from the beginning, and you should be able to easily notice how rude and obnoxious you are to other posters who dislike RoF for various reasons. you'r a crybaby for thinking you can be rude to other and then whine when you get a decent serve in return. wake up and realize the world is full of people that have different opinions to yours and they will voice them to. simply learn to coexist with them in a civilized fashion, and i suspect that they will then probably leave you alone to