Spells/Mage question.

[Vilk]

Originally Posted by Amidamaru86

Spells that are good to upgrade:

Fireball
Ice Snake
Firestorm
Sheep
Blind
Hipnotyze
Ressurection
Sacrifice
Slow (optional)
Pain mirror (optional)
Battle Cry (optional)

Also you need around 80 mana on impossible only, the rest should be bonuses from items, in the end you should have like 140 mana(with items) +6 regeneration each turn

This list is a bit limited, I'm feeling it's the best magic system I ever seen in term of balance, meaning that ton of spells are great to use in some cases.

When playing a mage a priority could be the Alchemy skill, when it is at the top it half the cost of crystal that's huge in comparison with other hero classes. I definitely second the care to have about crystal use, but with Alchemy on max asap I'd suggest more: Learn all spell at level 1. Don't learn all spells at level 2 but only good selected choice. Learn only few spells at level 3.

My own list of spells that are my favorite candidates for level 3:

• Resurrection (target units level 4)
• Demon Slayer (mass) keep for later game
• Hypnosis (target units level 4 and bigger pack)
• Magic Spring (for the best efficiency for this handy spell)
• Haste (mass) if you plan use some slow army
• Magic Shackles (mass)
• Precision (mass)
• Bless (mass) worth more for some troops to have an idea of the gain don't compare the min and max but average and max.
• Weakness (mass)
• Gift (target units level 5)
• Battle Cry (mass)
• Blind/Sheep/Pygmy (target units level 4) all 3 are quite close and get one or two is handy. Sheep costs much more mana but disable the troop and make it easy to attack, Pygmy cost less mana and can allow kills much more, Blind cost less mana than Sheep but don't change unit type.
• Lightning (the point of this attack spell is that some items increase its power unlike other attack spells and if I'm not wrong unlike fire/poison/cold no units has a special protection against it. The negative point is that at level 3 you can't always use it without to hit your own units so you need at least one other attack spell to the max)

Clearly all are optional and many other worth to be increased to level 3, as already mentioned you need restrain your choice. those I listed are only my favorite candidate to be perhaps increased at level 3 with a mage with at least int 15 (to have spells duration increased by 1).

About the mage hero mana level, 80 for impossible? Then I wonder how low at normal. For a mage the Higher Magic skill is an incredible skill but it requires ton of mana and then a good option seems to pick mana very often during mage level up.

[Razorflame]

bah al u guys forgot the spell TRAP
this spell is great

and slow is very good too

and furthermore FEAR is total ownage

it's cheaper than sheep
(sheep cost like 40 mana IIRC()

while fear would be like 20(IIRC)

[Vilk]

Yes Slow is a must, since I get a fight where I regret deeply not have it I take care get this one asap. But I don't feel it's a so good choice for level 3 spell, level 2 should be fine. But level 3 is an interesting option anyway.

Fear description focus on its limitation, and that make me underestimate it, it has a quite lower mana cost and quite longer time length, I'll definitely look at it closely. Typical example is two huge pack of opponent low level units, cast on one, level 3 last 4 turns and cost 10 mana. Excellent alternative even for level 3 spells.

For trap, I see it quote so often, but I feel it a little frustrating when you fail make a good prediction (if you don't replay the fight) that I'd temper it. In fact its good point is less the damages than stopping the opponent unit. In this point of view, even level 1 spell could be enough and mainly in some very limited case where you know you setup a tempting attack for the AI.

[Razorflame]

oh fit of energy is quite a nice spell too for royal snakes
espcially when u have a huge stack of royal snakes
they just own ^^

but then again this is more for a mage who can double cast in a turn

[Vilk]

For me, I'm probably wrong, Fit of energy is a very cool spell but level one to attack a second time during same turn. Above I feel it's a waste. Also why only those snakes? They are cool but this spell can be useful for any unit hitting hard, during second attack most units won't counter attack anyway.

[Razorflame]

because royal snakes have poison damage

furthermore
a snake can be fast

it will most likely attack FIRST in the next turn

so think about it 3 attacks from 1 royal snake
^^
+poison damage
is hardcore damage

[Vilk]

Common there's quite many other units you can quote, you don't need royal snakes to use efficiently this spell.

[agrael]

Originally Posted by Vilk

This list is a bit limited, I'm feeling it's the best magic system I ever seen in term of balance, meaning that ton of spells are great to use in some cases.

When playing a mage a priority could be the Alchemy skill, when it is at the top it half the cost of crystal that's huge in comparison with other hero classes. I definitely second the care to have about crystal use, but with Alchemy on max asap I'd suggest more: Learn all spell at level 1. Don't learn all spells at level 2 but only good selected choice. Learn only few spells at level 3.

My own list of spells that are my favorite candidates for level 3:

• Resurrection (target units level 4)
• Demon Slayer (mass) keep for later game
• Hypnosis (target units level 4 and bigger pack)
• Magic Spring (for the best efficiency for this handy spell)
• Haste (mass) if you plan use some slow army
• Magic Shackles (mass)
• Precision (mass)
• Bless (mass) worth more for some troops to have an idea of the gain don't compare the min and max but average and max.
• Weakness (mass)
• Gift (target units level 5)
• Battle Cry (mass)
• Blind/Sheep/Pygmy (target units level 4) all 3 are quite close and get one or two is handy. Sheep costs much more mana but disable the troop and make it easy to attack, Pygmy cost less mana and can allow kills much more, Blind cost less mana than Sheep but don't change unit type.
• Lightning (the point of this attack spell is that some items increase its power unlike other attack spells and if I'm not wrong unlike fire/poison/cold no units has a special protection against it. The negative point is that at level 3 you can't always use it without to hit your own units so you need at least one other attack spell to the max)

Clearly all are optional and many other worth to be increased to level 3, as already mentioned you need restrain your choice. those I listed are only my favorite candidate to be perhaps increased at level 3 with a mage with at least int 15 (to have spells duration increased by 1).

About the mage hero mana level, 80 for impossible? Then I wonder how low at normal. For a mage the Higher Magic skill is an incredible skill but it requires ton of mana and then a good option seems to pick mana very often during mage level up.

I'm not sure is this is right place for this question but anyway.... can someone give me a whole list of magic in game /and maybe location of scrolls/

[Stepsongrapes]

Originally Posted by agrael

I'm not sure is this is right place for this question but anyway.... can someone give me a whole list of magic in game /and maybe location of scrolls/

A ton of KB:L info is available here: http://www.gamebanshee.com/kingsboun...pellschaos.php

Follow all the menus on the left-hand side.

[agrael]

many thanks