Battle Of Britain: Storm Of War - Pilot's Lounge

[SlipBall]

The sky is falling attitude is funny to read at time's. After awhile the dire speculation's and fear of the worst, becomes annoying. If in the future the project needs to be scraped, I'm sure that we will be told about that. Untill that happens, why not take them at their word that they are working towards completion.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

The sky is falling attitude is funny to read at time's. After awhile the dire speculation's and fear of the worst, becomes annoying. If in the future the project needs to be scraped, I'm sure that we will be told about that. Untill that happens, why not take them at their word that they are working towards completion.

If you follow the RTS index I'd say that yes, the sky IS falling...

[IceFire]

Russia has gone through lots of economic turmoil over the last couple of decades (if not longer really). I doubt this has made things any different than when IL-2 was originally being developed.

Thor is right...Oleg was seriously lambasted by some notorious people in the community and I don't blame him for being more standoffish. On the other hand I really hope that Oleg does keep the lines of communication open. Many of us have had good conversations with the man via e-mail sending him data and looking to try and correct issues wherever they may be.

I sent him some data more than a few times. I was always courteous...I made my case, I presented what I had available, I noted the holes in knowledge, and I let Oleg and his team make a decision on what to update. On the whole thats actually worked out quite well. IL-2 had plenty of innacuracies that the community was able to have a hand in fixing...its not possible for Oleg and his team to have access to every piece of information but as a collective we have access to vast stores of historical documents that ultimately are useful one way or another.

Hopefully Storm of War will be open to some input where practical and useful.

[csThor]

Same here, Ice, but I think this time we (the players and Maddox Games) need to work out a standardized system for such data input which relieves Maddox Games from inaccurate, incomplete and/or "amateurish" input. It doesn't help to say "Plane X is off. Author Q quotes Ace K in his book Y saying ..." as this is anecdotal stuff and useless. We need to make sure Maddox Games gets this stuff as complete as it gets - including data which might contradict the other data. But if we exclude stuff we don't like for reasons of personal bias then how much of an accurate simulation do we really want?

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Hehehe. Bottom line is, you are not going to please everybody all of the time, ever. Yeah, of course we all want as "realistic" a sim as possible, while we (lets face it) overgrown kids pretend to be WWII fighter aces sitting on our arses in front of a Monitor screen....wife/gf kids nagging in the background demanding you put up those shelves
Why do we do it? Because its FUN of course! Some people however seem to be intent on sucking the fun out of everything, treating a 5Kph perceived inaccuracy like a matter of life or death and of global importance, possibly even a threat to Civilization itself lol . These people will never let go of their grievances, real or imagined. For the most part, despite its faults (programmers of course being HUMAN like everyone else) IL-2 does a good job in terms of general accuracy.......Yes its right to aim for perfection as I'm sure they will do, but it will never be attained. Thats all.....Oh and did I mention its "just a game" ? (TM)

Carry on, you crazy kids!!

[SlipBall]

There in lies the problem, so many of you contacting him in the past. Telling him this is not right, or this should be this. I think just enjoy what is given, and try not to give advice on what you consider wrong. The early game really got f u, and dumbed down from peoples advice.

[KG26_Alpha]

The biggest factor most of the (my aircraft is porked "insert name here" whiners ) miss, is the fact that no two aircraft would ever fly the same as we have in the IL2 series, you get a perfectly matched unrelenting same data ac every time you fly.

Pilots have an envelope that their aircraft is to be flown within to keep the pilot safe and from damaging the aircraft, this allows them to familiarize themselves and get from A to B safely whilst gaining flying hours and competence with their plane.

The way we abuse these IL2 stock out of the factory set up aircraft, would seriously damage the airframes and engines from the first flight in them.

I'm sure none of you would drive your car full throttle everywhere at maximum speed, but we do in IL2 due to the "virtual" nature of the game, it allows you do do it, so we do.

So people who want "realistic/realism/as it was/full100%/actual FM & DM" then you should be prepared to fly in such a manner and not expect the game/sim be realistic but be realistic the way you fly yourselves.
I know though that they would not do this as its easier to whine about (my aircraft is porked "insert name here" ) rather than learn to fly correctly or historically.

Until 1c can explode your motherboard if you loose an aircraft its up to you to fly in a reasonable manner instead of blaming the FM etc etc etc etc.

Don't forget its really not real

No really its not !!!

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The biggest factor most of the (my aircraft is porked "insert name here" whiners ) miss, is the fact that no two aircraft would ever fly the same as we have in the IL2 series, you get a perfectly matched unrelenting same data ac every time you fly.

Pilots have an envelope that their aircraft is to be flown within to keep the pilot safe and from damaging the aircraft, this allows them to familiarize themselves and get from A to B safely whilst gaining flying hours and competence with their plane.

The way we abuse these IL2 stock out of the factory set up aircraft, would seriously damage the airframes and engines from the first flight in them.

I'm sure none of you would drive your car full throttle everywhere at maximum speed, but we do in IL2 due to the "virtual" nature of the game, it allows you do do it, so we do.

So people who want "realistic/realism/as it was/full100%/actual FM & DM" then you should be prepared to fly in such a manner and not expect the game/sim be realistic but be realistic the way you fly yourselves.
I know though that they would not do this as its easier to whine about (my aircraft is porked "insert name here" ) rather than learn to fly correctly or historically.

Until 1c can explode your motherboard if you loose an aircraft its up to you to fly in a reasonable manner instead of blaming the FM etc etc etc etc.

Don't forget its really not real

No really its not !!!

Well put!...I would love to see this in SOW dm, then if you abuse the aircraft, your stuck with it somehow. I was tought the only time to use full power was for takeoff. Soon as reaching the safe altitude for the airport, had to level off, and throttle back.