Donbass winter map problem

[stugumby]

No some of them have winter water, this one is froze over. Trying to do Rostov in nov-dec 1941. No water puts any anti shipping out of the loop for more missions.

[JacksonsGhost]

I can't speak for the map builders, but I suspect the key here is that the waters in this map area are generally shallow, and would be frozen for most of the winter, and they've left it at that.

I agree it would certainly be nice to be able to choose unfrozen water for scenarios where snow has fallen but the water has not yet frozen, but I don't believe you have that option here.

I think as a mission builder your best option is to research when the Azov Sea froze in 1941 (some time in November I suspect). Then any mission before that use the Autumn map.

[dimlee]

Maximum ice coverage in the Sea of Azov: February.
First ice in December, in some exceptionally cold winters (once in 5-10 years in the XX century) in November.

Historical monthly average temperatures in Taganrog(one of the coldest places in winter in the Northern Azov):
http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/history/34720.htm
This is from Soviet archives so no data during German occupation.

German data from that area and period are there:
Julius Büdel. Das Eis im Kaspisee // Annalen der Hydrographie und Maritimen Meteorologie 1943

Maps of the ice coverage can be found in this article:
https://ice-snow.igras.ru/jour/article/view/488/280

The 1941/1942 winter was not very cold in the Azov region.

[JacksonsGhost]

Thanks for the local knowledge Dimlee

I don't have time to do a proper study on this, but I just did a quick Google keyword search for "frozen"+"Rostov"+"November"+"1941" and came up with the following links.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/ar...ve-to-the-don/

https://codenames.info/operation/don...ive-operation/

The first link says that they (the Germans) were battling Mud on November 11, and then "A few days later a cold wave arrived and froze everything". This probably doesn't include the Sea of Azov, but a later comment on November 22 speaks of the "now frozen (River) Don".

The second link backs this up with a November 20 reference to fighting on the Don, speaking of "heaps of bodies lying on the frozen river".

So it seems the River Don froze in mid November 1941. I can't see any direct comment on the Sea of Azov, so I can't add anything there.

[stugumby]

using the dinbas winter map, date set to 1 nov 1941 lagg 4 in fmb menu shows in winter skin, spawns in solid green.Go to qmb and on slovakia winter is shows as winter skin, spawns as winter skin.