New planes requests (from other threads/please pin it)

[Marabekm]

I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.

Lets go to Stalingrad:
Major Battle: Battle of Stalingrad

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?

Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)

Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20
Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37


I need to do some more research on the subject. If I missed anything let me know. Hopefully will be getting some books on this soon.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Marabekm

I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.

Yeah, sorry about the digression/rant.

Originally Posted by Marabekm

Stalingrad:

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?

Plane set for the VVS is fairly complete, with only minor/second-line types missing: Yer-2, UT-2. Flyable SU-2 would be sort of interesting. A-20 with Soviet turret would be a nice addition.

Originally Posted by Marabekm

Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)

Add Fi-156 to the list of availables. Hs-129 is flyable.

Would be helpful to have flyable Ju-52, Bf-110C, Hs-123. Perhaps flyable FW-189 and Fi-156. Perhaps add German second-line types (at least as static objects) like the Bf-108 and FW-58.

Stalingrad map could use any distinctive ground objects - notably the grain elevators and the tractor factory complex.

Originally Posted by Marabekm

Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20

Regia was a minor factor at Stalingrad, but huge for the new Med maps that we'll be getting.

Ca-311 would be a handy addition. BR-20 would be very handy for both RA and for Chinese scenarios (Japanese used it briefly in the 30s).

While not relevant to Stalingrad, many of the late war Italian fighters aren't flyable. Grrr.

Originally Posted by Marabekm

Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37

Bf-109E3, He-111H3 and Do-17Z would be good adds for early war scenarios.
Flyable Blenheim would be incredibly useful.

If we are very good and say our prayers every night, we might be getting the He-112 as a flyable.

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by Marabekm

I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.

Lets go to Stalingrad:
Major Battle: Battle of Stalingrad

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?

Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)

Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20
Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37


I need to do some more research on the subject. If I missed anything let me know. Hopefully will be getting some books on this soon.

Stalingrad / other missing:
Ar-2, Pe-2 (or Pe-3) with Gneiss radar.

Ju-86, FW-200, FW-58, He-177, Ju-90, Ju-290 (OK, there was only one probably), Go-145, He-46, Do-215, Hs-126.

Probably: Cant 1007, Ca 133

IAR 38/39, RWD-13.

There were Hungarians as well, but info is scarce.

Seaplanes are mentioned there:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=114464
I wonder where they were based.

[sniperton]

Originally Posted by dimlee

There were Hungarians as well, but info is scarce.

So far as I know, the Hungarian Air Force has not played any considerable role in, and in the close vicinity of, the battle of Stalingrad. The Hungarian 2nd Army was holding the Northwest flank and had only Re-2000 fighters, He-46 recces, and Ca-135bis medium bombers in numbers (>10). And their majority was withdrawn due to attrition and retraining before the Stalingrad battle started.

[Marabekm]

Originally Posted by dimlee

Seaplanes are mentioned there:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=114464
I wonder where they were based.

http://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/sagr125.htm

Well it looks like Constanza and Varna/Sevastapol. Not sure how they came into play in Stalingrad.

As far as the Regia Aeronautica, I looked here:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/940IXAL.pdf

61st Gruppo appears to have operated Ca-311.
21st Gruppo had MC200/MC202
71st Gruppo with BR-20M, Ca-311, Ca-312, Ca-164.

Can't find any mention of a Cant Z in Russia.

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by Marabekm

http://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/sagr125.htm

Well it looks like Constanza and Varna/Sevastapol. Not sure how they came into play in Stalingrad.

As far as the Regia Aeronautica, I looked here:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/940IXAL.pdf

61st Gruppo appears to have operated Ca-311.
21st Gruppo had MC200/MC202
71st Gruppo with BR-20M, Ca-311, Ca-312, Ca-164.

Can't find any mention of a Cant Z in Russia.

I'm puzzled with those seaplanes as well. Need to check in Bergstrom's book.

Cant Z was mentioned in some "second hand" sources without reference to documents. (I've done quick search, but didn't bookmark or copy). So might be a mistake and can be ignored.

[stugumby]

Rockets for p47 are triple launcher m8 not zero length hvar. Rockets need updating for fm 2, p47,p51, 60lb rockets and mixed bomb loads needed for beaufighter and mosquito as well. Since the triple launcher exists it needs to be added to a20g and p40m as well. Beaufighter with straight tail is also needed.