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Old 03-04-2016, 06:51 AM
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Coral Sea - This map is just a big square of virtual ocean. There are no actual islands. Presumably the map portrays the area where the Yorktown was sunk. The area where the Shoho was sunk near the Deboyne Islands aren't modeled. Perhaps this is just as well because they were a backwater area for most of the war. A generic ocean map is more useful.

For once, the IJN has a reasonable selection of ships which were actually present during the battle, although there could be more Cruiser, Destroyer and Auxiliary types.

The US ship selection is also "not bad" although thanks to Northrop Grumman there are no US Battleships and some other ship types are missing. Again, there are plenty of smaller ships which aren't in the game.

My biases with regard to ship types are probably showing, though. It's fun to bomb big targets like BB or CVs, but most anti-shipping strikes (and sub ops) were attacks against smaller, more numerous ship types like DD, FF, minesweepers, gunboats, MTB/PT boats, and merchant ships.

With recent patches, there are (finally!) no important planes missing from the order of battle, and all but the TBD are flyable.

A flyable TBD would finally give the Americans a flyable torpedo bomber type, since the NG agreement makes a flyable TBF impossible. It would also open up a variety of other early war US torpedo bombing missions, not just suicide missions at Midway.

"Nice to have" planes which were unimportant during the Battle of the Coral Sea but widely used elsewhere would be the E7K "Alf," the G3M "Nell" (notice the trend here - if I could choose just one early Pacific War plane to add to the game, it would be the G3M), the H6K "Mavis", one USN Seaplane type (choose the Curtiss SOC Seagull, the Vought O2SU Kingfisher, or the Grumman J2F Duck), a flyable B-17E, and a flyable PBY.

Midway - This map actually does a decent job of depicting the area where there was intensive aerial action. While there were just one strike on Midway, it was critically important to the overall Midway campaign.

Midway island is missing a few period ground objects - like barracks, and the Pan Am Clipper dock and hotel (could also be used for Wake Island). By the time of the battle the island was a fortress, but placing guns, etc. is up to mission builders.

Most of the comments about the Coral Sea map apply to the Midway map.

A "nice to have" plane which was only peripherally involved in the Midway campaign, but which were extensively used elsewhere is the Martin B-26A Marauder. The obsolete Japanese types like the B4Y would only be useful additions if the game were to move into modeling the 2nd Sino-Japanese War.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:49 AM
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I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.

Lets go to Stalingrad:
Major Battle: Battle of Stalingrad

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?

Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)

Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20
Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37


I need to do some more research on the subject. If I missed anything let me know. Hopefully will be getting some books on this soon.

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Old 03-04-2016, 03:59 PM
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I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.
Yeah, sorry about the digression/rant.

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Stalingrad:

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?
Plane set for the VVS is fairly complete, with only minor/second-line types missing: Yer-2, UT-2. Flyable SU-2 would be sort of interesting. A-20 with Soviet turret would be a nice addition.

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Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)
Add Fi-156 to the list of availables. Hs-129 is flyable.

Would be helpful to have flyable Ju-52, Bf-110C, Hs-123. Perhaps flyable FW-189 and Fi-156. Perhaps add German second-line types (at least as static objects) like the Bf-108 and FW-58.

Stalingrad map could use any distinctive ground objects - notably the grain elevators and the tractor factory complex.

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Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20
Regia was a minor factor at Stalingrad, but huge for the new Med maps that we'll be getting.

Ca-311 would be a handy addition. BR-20 would be very handy for both RA and for Chinese scenarios (Japanese used it briefly in the 30s).

While not relevant to Stalingrad, many of the late war Italian fighters aren't flyable. Grrr.

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Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37
Bf-109E3, He-111H3 and Do-17Z would be good adds for early war scenarios.
Flyable Blenheim would be incredibly useful.

If we are very good and say our prayers every night, we might be getting the He-112 as a flyable.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:20 PM
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I stared with those maps because of exactly that reason, only one or two major battles in a small time frame. Also this is only aircraft list, not other objects. But yes there are some ships/artillery types/vehicles/tanks that are missing as well.

Lets go to Stalingrad:
Major Battle: Battle of Stalingrad

VVS from what I can find (any help here would be appreciated)
Planes we have: Yak-1, Yak-7B, Lagg-3, I-16, I-153, La-5, P-40, Hurricane, Mig-3(This one there seems to be a lot of disagreement on), Il-2, Pe-2, SB, Su-2, R-5, U-2
missing: It is my understanding that the DB-3 (A-20) used by VVS had a different turret?

Luftwaffe planes we have: Ju-87B/D3, Hs-123(AI only), BF-109E/F/G, Ju-88A-4, He-111H6, Hs-129(AI Only), FW-189(AI Only)
planes missing: Ju-87R, BF-110(early types)

Regia Aeronautica: Planes available: MC 200, MC 202
missing: Ca311, Ca312, Ca164, Br-20
Romanian Royal Aeronautics Planes we have: BF-109E7, IAR 80, IAR 81a Blenheim Mk I
Planes missing: JRS-79, BF-109E3, He-111H3, Do17, Potez 633A/B, IAR-37


I need to do some more research on the subject. If I missed anything let me know. Hopefully will be getting some books on this soon.
Stalingrad / other missing:
Ar-2, Pe-2 (or Pe-3) with Gneiss radar.

Ju-86, FW-200, FW-58, He-177, Ju-90, Ju-290 (OK, there was only one probably), Go-145, He-46, Do-215, Hs-126.

Probably: Cant 1007, Ca 133

IAR 38/39, RWD-13.

There were Hungarians as well, but info is scarce.

Seaplanes are mentioned there:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=114464
I wonder where they were based.
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Old 03-05-2016, 12:59 AM
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There were Hungarians as well, but info is scarce.
So far as I know, the Hungarian Air Force has not played any considerable role in, and in the close vicinity of, the battle of Stalingrad. The Hungarian 2nd Army was holding the Northwest flank and had only Re-2000 fighters, He-46 recces, and Ca-135bis medium bombers in numbers (>10). And their majority was withdrawn due to attrition and retraining before the Stalingrad battle started.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:35 PM
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Seaplanes are mentioned there:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=114464
I wonder where they were based.
http://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/sagr125.htm

Well it looks like Constanza and Varna/Sevastapol. Not sure how they came into play in Stalingrad.

As far as the Regia Aeronautica, I looked here:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/940IXAL.pdf

61st Gruppo appears to have operated Ca-311.
21st Gruppo had MC200/MC202
71st Gruppo with BR-20M, Ca-311, Ca-312, Ca-164.

Can't find any mention of a Cant Z in Russia.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:39 PM
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http://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/sagr125.htm

Well it looks like Constanza and Varna/Sevastapol. Not sure how they came into play in Stalingrad.

As far as the Regia Aeronautica, I looked here:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/940IXAL.pdf

61st Gruppo appears to have operated Ca-311.
21st Gruppo had MC200/MC202
71st Gruppo with BR-20M, Ca-311, Ca-312, Ca-164.

Can't find any mention of a Cant Z in Russia.
I'm puzzled with those seaplanes as well. Need to check in Bergstrom's book.

Cant Z was mentioned in some "second hand" sources without reference to documents. (I've done quick search, but didn't bookmark or copy). So might be a mistake and can be ignored.
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Old 03-07-2016, 02:17 PM
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Rockets for p47 are triple launcher m8 not zero length hvar. Rockets need updating for fm 2, p47,p51, 60lb rockets and mixed bomb loads needed for beaufighter and mosquito as well. Since the triple launcher exists it needs to be added to a20g and p40m as well. Beaufighter with straight tail is also needed.
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:40 PM
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For the pacific, there is a plane that is direly missing! The D3A2!

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Old 03-04-2016, 06:12 PM
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What happened to the Boomerang?
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