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Old 02-26-2016, 09:00 AM
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.....did someone say, a square stone revetment?

Using the skills that Sita was so very kind enough to demonstrate, I was able to quickly convert the original V shaped revetment into the square one you see below, the bonus here is that the skinning is more or less done already.



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It may seem fast, but I'm still only running at not even a 100th of the speed that you can work, however a key to my apparent speed is my use SolidWorks (SW) to do a lot of the grunt design work before dragging it into the time sucking black hole that is Max, even the above square pen was made easier by creating a model in SW that was then imported into Max, this I could then use as a template to adjust the existing V shaped pen's vertices.
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:10 AM
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....mmmm could this be a square revetment?





Located at:Aeroporto Boccadifalco (Castelvetrano airfield?), Sicily

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Old 02-26-2016, 10:17 AM
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....mmmm could this be a square revetment?
Boccadifalco was the old Palermo airport. It is still in use by small aircraft. I have to check the schemes to see if it corresponds. But 5m seems a bit small to me. That one in particular could have be used to house any other equipment like e.g. petrol tanks or motor vehicles...

As a rule of thumb, I would keep the same base aperture of the small V revetment.
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:36 AM
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Boccadifalco was the old Palermo airport. It is still in use by small aircraft. I have to check the schemes to see if it corresponds. But 5m seems a bit small to me. That one in particular could have be used to house any other equipment like e.g. petrol tanks or motor vehicles...

As a rule of thumb, I would keep the same base aperture of the small V revetment.
Oopps my BAD - been so backwards and forwards with scales this evening, I totally missed that it was only 5.4 metres.

But to belay your fears, I based the dimensions for the model on those from the diagram so it is slightly narrower and shorter than the V type, but due to having parallel walls it can afford to be, see below:



But if you want it bigger let me know!
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I would keep the dimensions as they are now
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Old 02-26-2016, 02:01 PM
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I decided to build the Lods 00 through 03 for Y type before I hit the sack, (just gone 01:00 so it's a tad late considering I've been up since 05:00 yesterday).



As it is a quite simple, yet at the same time a complex shape, I could not make a difference between Lods 02 and 03 without insurring a drastic change in the geometrics, that I'm concerned may cause a significant pop, so will need further guidance here.
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Old 02-26-2016, 02:14 PM
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If I remember correctly the change between LOD2 and LOD3 happens usually at few kilometers so any simpler shape would not harm. But I step aside here and wait for more wiser comments... anyone(Sita?) could say something on this?
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It may seem fast, but I'm still only running at not even a 100th of the speed that you can work, however a key to my apparent speed is my use SolidWorks (SW) to do a lot of the grunt design work before dragging it into the time sucking black hole that is Max, even the above square pen was made easier by creating a model in SW that was then imported into Max, this I could then use as a template to adjust the existing V shaped pen's vertices.
Given that SW is probably the better 3D design program, your workflow makes loads of sense! There's loads of animation and rendering stuff in 3ds Max that's overkill for static objects.
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Old 02-29-2016, 12:08 AM
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U type revetment of mixed construction - stone rear wall, rubble/cement filled drums for the sides walls and with rammed earth/rubble back fill.



May be to many polys though?
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Old 02-29-2016, 12:40 PM
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If poly count is a problem, stone or earth walls may be a safer solution. By the way, as pointed out by Pursuivant, we already have a big U/square revetment (it takes a B-24 easily). A medium sized one for could fill a gap, taking the Wellington or the B-25 as reference.
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