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[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Soldier_Fortune

Spitfire Mk. I...!?

The "IL2 Universe" can no longer tolerate one more Spit!

But the Gloster Meteor would be a good (and needed, IMHO !!) add, instead.

I used to do a ton of dogfight scenarios and the one that I got over and over again was ... "Do the BOB" and I'd explain why we didn't have the planeset for that. A Mark I Spit would be all I need to really make it work tho.

At this point I doubt anyone would hardly mind although you never know

[Soldier_Fortune]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I used to do a ton of dogfight scenarios and the one that I got over and over again was ... "Do the BOB" and I'd explain why we didn't have the planeset for that. A Mark I Spit would be all I need to really make it work tho.

At this point I doubt anyone would hardly mind although you never know

Ok.

But probably you would need a bit more than the Spit Mk.I, IMO.

If you had the right planes set (Mk. I included) to design a 'BoB campaign' in the stock IL2 v4.X... what map would you use? ¿Normandy...?

I think the request "do the BoB" couldn't be attended at all by the main limitation to do it... the lack of maps for such scenary.

Well.. . a map like La_Chute might give some room to design that campaign to be played off-line. Or at least to have a map of the S of England to play it on-line and off-line.

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Why not? The Spitfire was involved in WW2 from the first day to the last, was built in huge numbers, was the premiere fighter for one of the major nations involved in WW2, served with half a dozen other air forces, and saw service on literally every front. In many ways, it's the Allied equivalent of the Bf-109.

We don't need every Spitfire model ever produced, but the Mk I would be a worthy addition, as would the F XIIC & F XIVC.

I'm not saying that planes like the Gloster Meteor wouldn't be welcome, but the lack of early and late war Spitfires is a bit like not including any Bf-109E models, or any Bf-109G or K model after the G-6.

My intention was not to create an off-topic in my own thread, or snubbing the memory of the glorious Spit.

But today we have about 13 subcategories of Spitfire, plus another 2 for the Seafire. And I think we have enough of them for a sim like this.

The same can be said about the Bf-109 (15 subcategories), or the Yak (18 subcategories).

What news would add the Spit Mk 1 when compared with other Spitfires we already have, apart from being a historical model?

The time to develop new aircrafts, is currently voluntary and scarce.
And there are planes that still we do not have, even for the AI.

Perhaps the Avro-Lancaster (other old glory of the RAF: performed more than 165,000 sorties along the war) would be a better add-on than other Spitfire... or than the Gloster Meteor also.

But finally TD will have the last official word about all the matters related with IL2.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Soldier_Fortune

Ok.
But probably you would need a bit more than the Spit Mk.I, IMO.

Early Bf109 and Fw190 would not hurt, Do-17 and others.

Originally Posted by Soldier_Fortune

What news would add the Spit Mk 1 when compared with other Spitfires we already have, apart from being a historical model?

Early war armament. 8*0.303.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Soldier_Fortune

Ok.

But probably you would need a bit more than the Spit Mk.I, IMO.

If you had the right planes set (Mk. I included) to design a 'BoB campaign' in the stock IL2 v4.X... what map would you use? ¿Normandy...?

I think the request "do the BoB" couldn't be attended at all by the main limitation to do it... the lack of maps for such scenary.

Well.. . a map like La_Chute might give some room to design that campaign to be played off-line. Or at least to have a map of the S of England to play it on-line and off-line.






My intention was not to create an off-topic in my own thread, or snubbing the memory of the glorious Spit.

But today we have about 13 subcategories of Spitfire, plus another 2 for the Seafire. And I think we have enough of them for a sim like this.

The same can be said about the Bf-109 (15 subcategories), or the Yak (18 subcategories).

What news would add the Spit Mk 1 when compared with other Spitfires we already have, apart from being a historical model?

The time to develop new aircrafts, is currently voluntary and scarce.
And there are planes that still we do not have, even for the AI.

Perhaps the Avro-Lancaster (other old glory of the RAF: performed more than 165,000 sorties along the war) would be a better add-on than other Spitfire... or than the Gloster Meteor also.

But finally TD will have the last official word about all the matters related with IL2.

Lots of online folks just want to dogfight planes and so we've done Battle of Britain related scenarios before using all manners of maps as a stand in. I know that's an anathema to some but it explains the desire. To do it properly I'd still need the a couple of extra planes but the main ones are all there otherwise.

Really the Spitfire can be divided into the V, VIII, IX, and Seafire. Everything else is an armament variation or a wing variation. If we wanted completeness then we are missing the Mark I/II and the XIV. It'd be like having the entire Yak lineup except the Yak-3 and Yak-9U or the entire Bf109 lineup except the K-4. It just never came to be unfortunately and I say that truly because something like the XIV is quite a different beast than the Merlin types.

So... we could stand to have a couple more Spitfires but I can write you a long list of types that I would also like to see from the Me410 to the Ki-44 to the A-26 or the Halifax or Lancaster. I'd be interested in any of those

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Lots of online folks just want to dogfight planes and so we've done Battle of Britain related scenarios before using all manners of maps as a stand in.

Ignoring the obvious lack of a suitable map, it's already possible to do BoB scenarios using the Hurricane I, Bf-109E-4 (I know, a bit late for the battle, Bf-109E-3 would be ideal), Ju-87B-2, He-111H-2, Ju-88A-2, Beaufort II, & Blenheim IV. Add in the M.S.406 and use the Ardennes Summer map for Battle of France scenarios.

Obviously, there's a Spitfire I-shaped hole in our hearts, but we don't NEED that plane to create exciting and realistic scenarios.

As for new planes in the game, I'm in favor of anything with wings and a cockpit, as long as it actually flew sometime between 1939 and 1945!

[gaunt1]

Channel map would be useful not only for BoB, but rather for a previously unexplored 1941-43 time frame. When brits first encountered the Fw-190, or the appearance of more advanced german bombers, like Do-217, or later He-111 variants. Also the Fw-190G raids, and the Typhoons that countered this threat. I think its much more interesting than BoB itself.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Channel map would be useful not only for BoB, but rather for a previously unexplored 1941-43 time frame. When brits first encountered the Fw-190, or the appearance of more advanced german bombers, like Do-217, or later He-111 variants. Also the Fw-190G raids, and the Typhoons that countered this threat. I think its much more interesting than BoB itself.

Agreed. The English Channel/SE England taking in a triangle between Dunkirk, Dieppe & London is one of the critical maps for WW2 aerial operations. In one form or another, that area saw constant aerial action from 1939-45. While the Battle of Britain gets all the attention, there were many other important air operations in the area from 1939-45.

[KG26_Alpha]

I asked for BoB Map years ago and was told (true or not) due to some kind of agreement between IL2 1946 and Cliffs of Dover (at that time) any such map would not be made available in the official IL2 1946 game.

So unless the agreement has expired "officially" its not/is possible now ??

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Ignoring the obvious lack of a suitable map, it's already possible to do BoB scenarios using the Hurricane I, Bf-109E-4 (I know, a bit late for the battle, Bf-109E-3 would be ideal), Ju-87B-2, He-111H-2, Ju-88A-2, Beaufort II, & Blenheim IV. Add in the M.S.406 and use the Ardennes Summer map for Battle of France scenarios.

Obviously, there's a Spitfire I-shaped hole in our hearts, but we don't NEED that plane to create exciting and realistic scenarios.

As for new planes in the game, I'm in favor of anything with wings and a cockpit, as long as it actually flew sometime between 1939 and 1945!

We don't need it but the Hurricane I is not an equal to the Bf109E-4... so everyone flies on the Blue team and I get a headache

[Soldier_Fortune]

Breaking a lance in favor of the Spitfire Mk I, it shouldn't be so difficult to model and add it in a next patch.

The main parts of the common models for all the Spits, are made: graphics, skins and all the other technical properties.

It would be a simple matter of to take a latter model, to change some of its FM properties (air speed, ROC, corner speed, etc), to change its weaponry by 8x.303 MGs... and we would have the earliest operative Spit.