Re: Ta-183

[badatflyski]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Of all the "fantasy-waffe" aircraft in IL2:1946, I found the Ta-183 to be the most reasonable in terms of engineering assumptions and performance. Given that in, many ways, it was the precursor to the the FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II design, I'd suggest that it have performance no better than that plane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IAe_33_Pulqui_II

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yeah right, the 183 has to the pulqui what the mig 15 has to the 183....

ta183 was drawn and devlopped by Mulhtrop, Kurt wasn't involved, the pulqui by Tank himself (without Multhrop's knowledge), as the mig15 we don't know but he russians took a lot of Fw projects files in Malbork. Just as saab received some files on the p1101 from Messeschmitt ..the list is long here...
The only think those planes have in common it's their look.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by badatflyski

yeah right, the 183 has to the pulqui what the mig 15 has to the 183....

What those two had in common that the 183 didn't was a British engine at least twice as powerful as the German one.

The Germans just failed to have their turbojets with thrust over 1,130 kilograms (2,490 lb) running at the time of the capitulation in May 1945 which limited the performance of immediate Soviet postwar jet aircraft designs. They did inherit the technology of the very advanced axial compressor Junkers 012 and BMW 018 Jets that, in the class of the later Rolls-Royce Avon were some years ahead of the currently available British Rolls-Royce Nene engine. The Soviet aviation minister Mikhail Khrunichev and aircraft designer A. S. Yakovlev therefore suggested to Premier Joseph Stalin that the USSR buy the conservative but fully developed Nene engines from Rolls-Royce for the clandestine purpose copying them in a minimum of time. Somewhat logically, Stalin is said to have replied, "What fool will sell us his secrets?"[4]

However, he gave his consent to the proposal and Mikoyan, engine designer Vladimir Klimov, and others traveled to the United Kingdom to request the engines. To Stalin's amazement, the British Labour government and its Minister of Trade, Sir Stafford Cripps, were perfectly willing to provide technical information and a license to manufacture the Rolls-Royce Nene. Sample engines were purchased and delivered with blueprints. Following evaluation and adaption to Russian conditions, the windfall technology was tooled for mass-production as the Klimov RD-45 without any compensation to be incorporated into the MiG-15.[4] Rolls-Royce later attempted to claim £207 million in license fees, under the expectation of which the original sale was made

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