KBDS Normal/Hard/Impossible No-loss thread

[Zhuangzi]

Thanks ck and Matt. ck - I can see why you got frustrated. We are forced to do something 'outside the box' just to make a start in 2 out of 3 races on Impossible. I love this game but I really hope we get a patch to address this severe balance issue (we probably won't).

Matt - thanks for the saves. I will have a try at Kamikaze 2 first. Cheers.

[DGDobrev]

Wowie! Matt, that sounds really awesome. Could be well, well, really well worth a try. I will give it a go sometime.

[Zhuangzi]

I've made a bit of a start on the Kamikaze save, haven't got far year, but I was delighted to find that I had a Frost Grasp scroll in my spellbook. I never used Frost Grasp at all on my first playthrough but I'm finding it to be superior to Poison Skull and it costs the same 5 mana.

[Zhuangzi]

Ugh, I'm stuck on this game at the same spot, having killed the Dwarven stack but not being able to get the Elven or Human. I am a few point short of Level 5 and I don't have even one point in Diversions, but I have Chaos 2 with Frost Grasp, Poison Skull and Kamikaze all at level 2.

The problem is that Kamikaze, while devastating, takes 3 turns to explode. Against the Elven stack, the Hunters (9!) one shot my Vampires, like ck said, and the Human stack isn't much better.

So I think Kamikaze is a bad spell for this fight. Back to the drawing board. I'll try Evil Book next.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

Ugh, I'm stuck on this game at the same spot, having killed the Dwarven stack but not being able to get the Elven or Human. I am a few point short of Level 5 and I don't have even one point in Diversions, but I have Chaos 2 with Frost Grasp, Poison Skull and Kamikaze all at level 2.

The problem is that Kamikaze, while devastating, takes 3 turns to explode. Against the Elven stack, the Hunters (9!) one shot my Vampires, like ck said, and the Human stack isn't much better.

So I think Kamikaze is a bad spell for this fight. Back to the drawing board. I'll try Evil Book next.

Human stack was pretty evil even with the demoness army since they could "heal" you for bonus damage.

In my game, I just beat the elven army which had 8 elves but only 75 fairies vs the 110+.

You need some sort of tank or a lot of continuous crowd control. Even though I have ancient vampires and necromancers, it's still somewhat tricky to get a no loss. However, I didn't get any extra useful spells. Time Shift and Hex.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Did you do the Catacombs stacks? You've got to at least do the 3 easiest ones (I know, they can sometimes be really hard, but you've got Frost Grasp so that makes them easier) to guarantee that you get level 5 after taking the Dwarven Shelter stack out or at the very most the Dwarven and Human stacks. The Human stack is very easy with Kamikaze, I'm telling you. See if fighting them will push you over.

For the Elves, you've got to do your best to position your Vamps so they are not one shotted, but if they are it is okay, because in Bat form you can regrow your numbers - don't forget that!

Also, positioning of your Vamps with both the Human and Elven stacks at the start of the fight is everything so experiment with positioning to maximize their regeneration in Vamp form and giving you the opportunity to transform to Bat to then escape. Don't forget, also, that once you transform you automatically heal to full health, so waiting for everyone to move and then transforming is often the difference between living and dying.

Losing 1 Vamp is no biggie in any of the fights, as you can regrow them towards the end of the fight back to their original numbers so don't worry if you lose 1. Transform back to Vamp if that last Bat looks like it is going to die, to get the full heal, and to heal for easy addition of Bat #2 when regrowing!

I'll be trying this game later and we'll see if I can do it - I know you can, just keep trying!

***EDIT***

Okay, I see what you're up against - 108 Fairies and 9 Elves, oof! You only got 4 Werewolves in one stack, but I'd rather have 11 and 1 less Elf, but this is what we got to deal with. I say you have to be level 5 to do this one, but there is a wrinkle since the Fairies can dispel your Kamikaze! I just went ahead to see what you had to deal with, but I can see needing to get as much exp as possible to be level 5. I didn't check the Human stack out, but I don't think it'll be a problem compared to the Elves, so do the Elves last. You will lose 1 Vamp because the min damage is 9x8 = 72 (you might get very lucky and not lose one, but I wouldn't count on it). So you'll have to make it up at the end of the fight.

Feel free to switch to the other Kamikaze save because I can see that this one is probably going to be exceedingly hard. I'll still give this one an honest effort, though later...

/C\/C\

[Zhuangzi]

Matt, in that game I left the two hardest Catacombs stacks, which meant I was just a few points short of Level 5 by the time I hit the Shelter and defeated the Dwarves. I am trying the other Kamikaze save instead in the hope that it will prove easier. I don't know how you or anyone else manages to whittle down those huge stacks of spiders in such a small arena. I can manage all but two of them. I guess I will try again! I am wondering whether I ought to prioritise Diversions 2 somehow. I don't know if it's possible to get Diversions 2 and Chaos 2 by level 5...