ROF online shenanigan.

[Codex]

Totally understandable that some people don't like to pay online. But i suppose the risk of getting ripped on money is just as rare as with putting your card into the cash dispenser these days with all the technical equipment. As long as you pay to companies like valve/steam you're totally on the safe side, it's all about common sense.

I'm not so sure.

Just to qualify myself, I work for one of the four major banks in Australia. Credit card fraud via online intercepts is not as prevalent as you might think. It is very hard for someone to obtain your details purely via intercepting net traffic. Over 80% of credit card fraud reported to us was the result of customers using fraudulent sites, responding to phishing emails, allowing "friends" to use their cards and identity theft where thieves went through rubbish bins collecting sensitive documents like bank statements and even purchase receipts (look closely as to how much info is on that receipt.)

Generally speaking purchasing goods via legitimate online sites, in itself, is no more risky than buying a bunch of flowers over the phone or even paying for fuel at a service station.

Besides if you find you have been a victim of credit card fraud, your card issuer must investigate the matter and if your found not to be at fault, your guaranteed by law to get your money back.

Just wanted to put some perspective surrounding this issue.

Oh BTW, I have no problem with needing a net connection to play ROF. If it hampers pirates then more power to the developers I say. But then I have a biased opinion regarding this.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it.

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

[tagTaken2]

Good analogy.

[ElAurens]

Guys, guys, guys, take a deep breath here.

The devs of this game are/were mostly online pilots from IL2. Online is what they care about, and what they know. Why is their decision so shocking? Personally I'd be willing to bet that they have a good idea about the size of their potential market doing the thing the way they are going about it, and don't care about this issue.

They are building a sim to suit their vision, not yours, mine, or anyone else's.

I'll buy the thing anyway.

Online is the true arena anyhow.

Offline is meh, at best.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

Lucky I ate my apple BEFORE reading your analogy But then again it was home grown and my wifes into permaculture so like as not it was!!!!!!

<I think, Call of Duty World at War uses this sort of protection on it's game. Once you start the game it logs you on to the server and then you choose solo play (I have never played online with this game). Might have to go home tonight, pull out my internet, start up the game and see if I can still play? >

[No I was wrong, CoD lets you play without an Internet Connection!]

Cheers!

[JG52Uther]

You can tell its a REALLY bad idea because me and zapatista agree on something for once!

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

*Voice of Yoda* "Begun, the Sim wars have........."

[Forgottenfighter]

I, myself, think that most people will end up buying the sim. But it is not all about sales (at least it shouldn't be), it should be about customer satisfaction. The consumer base for this kind of a sim is largely enthusiast based, and the vast majority of those enthusiasts have no problem paying $50 for a good sim. I really don't think pirating is such a big issue. Anyways, I'm sorry for starting a civil war amongst the community, my bad.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

.... I'd say my example with the car is a little bit more mature.
As for the box warning , yes their required to say that the game requires an online connection, however not that you'll need it for the Single Player aspect of the game as well.

But then again, in todays society broadband is almost as common as having a TV so seriously i doubt it's gonna effect store sales at all, it's another thing with digital distribution thou. It really isn't surprising that they take this approach and i welcome it, helps getting less piracy at release.

GTA 4(PC) got to love those developers including anti crack coding making cars drive etc if you had a cracked version.. took about two weeks until the game was cracked 100% and many potential pirates bought the game instead. Thats how pirates should be threated , it was rather fun hearing about all frustration from the illegal people.

Get you're money back? It's what 40-50$ maximum come on, as soon as you buy an game you agree with their license agreement and everything which is included in the product. I'd prefer if Battle of Britain had something like this as well, but of course i still want people that don't have the ability to have a BB connection to be able to play the game obviously.. but if developers think this is the new approach then its just to adapt.

People make it sound a little too serious, almost like the world is becoming a minority report(the movie were the government controls everything).