ROF online shenanigan.

[zapatista]

silly idea to try and force people to be online, i wont buy it either

there are a few other software programs that after purchasing need to be activated online when you install it, and then again be online each time you want to use them, i never bought any of those programs either and chose instead whatever competing program existed. it's just not a convenient way to use them.

what they seem to forget is that even when people have a pc, that doesnt mean they have access to reliable broadband 100% of the time as well. for ex kids taking a laptop with them when staying with relatives, adults traveling for work or going to the beach house, limited net access at home where bw is limited or only in one room (so parents can supervise what kids do on the web etc.).

there is also a personal privacy and big brother issue here, do you really want some company (which hasnt published its privacy regulations, and isnt accountable to anybody if they break it) to be constantly aware of your gaming activity pattern on a day to day basis ? we already have camera's in the street, shopping patterns being tracked when you use a credit card etc... why add more to that just to play a silly game when its not needed for the customer who already bought the product ?

[_ITAF_UgoRipley]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

...If you don't want STEAM, there's probably no way to even test the game.

I don't know what STEAM is.
Why would one "not want" it ?? Why is it looked at as the pest ? Is it acting as a kind of malware ?

PS: yes, I'm reading their website...

[ZaltysZ]

Required online connection is not problem for me at all. My gaming computer always has it.

I play using HOTAS and pedals, so I don't imagine myself taking all that stuff together with my laptop on any trip. I can fly without HOTAS, but not without pedals. I leave simulators for my stationary computer and play chess, checkers, go, solitaire and alike on my laptop.

Also, multiplayer mode is essential for me as I don't fly offline. It is boring for me to fight AI and I always find novice human pilot to be more interesting than high level bot. In fact I won't not buy any combat flight sim, which has no multiplayer mode.

I think it is obvious, for what I have voted.

[Thunderbolt56]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Required online connection is not problem for me at all. My gaming computer always has it.

I play using HOTAS and pedals, so I don't imagine myself taking all that stuff together with my laptop on any trip. I can fly without HOTAS, but not without pedals. I leave simulators for my stationary computer and play chess, checkers, go, solitaire and alike on my laptop.

Also, multiplayer mode is essential for me as I don't fly offline. It is boring for me to fight AI and I always find novice human pilot to be more interesting than high level bot. In fact I won't not buy any combat flight sim, which has no multiplayer mode.

I think it is obvious, for what I have voted.

I feel exactly the same way Zaltys.

I'm not a big fan of STEAM (sort of turned me off of HL2 as well) and I don't like the "idea" of online verification software being mandatory...but I doubt it will stop me from buying it. What will stop me from playing it though will be if there is ultimately a very small online community, limited 3rd party involvement (mostly in the form of forums and information exchange) as a result and questionable content.

It seems most of the community is pleased with most of the content we've been shown so far (no-man's land and the trenches could use a bit of polishing IMO) and it would be a shame if such a positive thing as what RoF has heretofor promised is allowed to kind of wither away due to such a thing as copy protection implementation. The same thing happened to a degree with LOMAC.

Hopefully, there is an acceptable middle ground somewhere.

[virre89]

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it. There is really only one logical excuse for being against this and that is the people whom for any reason can't/don't have a broad band connection, i total understand your frustration.

As for people that have a broad band connection , what are you whining about?
The simulation market is thin enough, if you love sims and the theaters like this then support them and buy their games.

Todays evolution of the Internet is no secret, the majority has broadband even if many don't play games online or even go online in their games it's fair enough to say a lot of people have the ability to. As we all know the Internet can be used for plenty more than gaming....

By saying this will affect sales on a 50-70% scale i'd say you're way off your head, this online community that hangs on sites like this is just a small amount of the fans that actually buys it, the majority as with most games comes with the buyers that you never see online.

So why doesn't the majority play online/go online?... well most certainly the main reason ain't that they don't have a connection, they might just not be interested in playing online or lack common sense on how to do it or just not being hardcore gamers etc etc many reasons..

As an simple example:
I Know a lot of friends that only use Internet for surfing etc etc, even tho they own broad band , and yes the play games a lot but not in clans and they don't hang with the online communities, in other words a typical average customer/gamer.

I am rather sure this won't effect the sales at all especially not in stores, it's still no secret that a lot of games today require an online stream from the master servers to even work. Anyway everyone has all right in the world to make up their own decision im not claiming otherwise , but if you decide not to buy it, then stand by your choice and for god sake do not download it illegally.. that will only destroy the industry even more.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by virre89

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it.

Nothing to do with the game itself, what on Earth do you mean? of course it's about the availability of the game.

I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not buying it. I like sims, but I hope I am not a fanatic (which is what "fan" means).

There is really only one logical excuse for being against this and that is the people whom for any reason can't/don't have a broad band connection, i total understand your frustration.

You are wrong about that, first off, if it's logical, it's a reason not an excuse.

As for people that have a broad band connection , what are you whining about?

I'm not whining, I'll leave that to you.

I'm not buying it because I don't want my card details spread around the web, to be abused by phishers.

The simulation market is thin enough, if you love sims and the theaters like this then support them and buy their games.

Theaters? what has this got to do with acting in plays?

I like good games, but I wouldn't say I love them, I certainly do not intend to deliberately buy bad games just to help support some mythical industry.

By saying this will affect sales on a 50-70% scale i'd say you're way off your head, this online community that hangs on sites like this is just a small amount of the fans that actually buys it, the majority as with most games comes with the buyers that you never see online.

If, as it seems will be the case initially, the only place it can be bought is online, then the online community is they only one that matters (until, later, it makes it to the shops if it sells well enough online). The poll at the top of this page is making 50%-70% look like a very good guess.

I am rather sure this won't effect the sales at all especially not in stores, it's still no secret that a lot of games today require an online stream from the master servers to even work.

I have yet to knowingly buy one of those games, I often look and put them back on the shelf when I spot that requirement.

Anyway everyone has all right in the world to make up their own decision im not claiming otherwise

How generous.

if you decide not to buy it, then stand by your choice and for god sake do not download it illegally.. that will only destroy the industry even more.

The owners won't give a hoot about that, they only care whether you pay them or not. I won't pirate it, but I won't buy it either.

[virre89]

Nothing to do with the game itself, what on Earth do you mean? of course it's about the availability of the game.

I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not buying it. I like sims, but I hope I am not a fanatic (which is what "fan" means).

Well obviously i meant the gameplay/engine etc, it's not a bad game because their choice of protection. I thought it was obvious enough but apparently not..

You are wrong about that, first off, if it's logical, it's a reason not an excuse.

No its logical, and how am i wrong about it ? Please explain.
To me its rather clear that you'll be upset if you don't have a broadband connection. And of course i personally feel sorry for the people that can't play the game, but speaking for myself i'd never go as far as don't play the game just to help others state the fact that they didn't like the copy protection choice. (I still want the game even if it has starforce i don't care.. never bothered me)

I'm not whining, I'll leave that to you.

I'm not buying it because I don't want my card details spread around the web, to be abused by phishers.

Whining? o_O
Totally understandable that some people don't like to pay online. But i suppose the risk of getting ripped on money is just as rare as with putting your card into the cash dispenser these days with all the technical equipment. As long as you pay to companies like valve/steam you're totally on the safe side, it's all about common sense.

Theaters? what has this got to do with acting in plays?

I like good games, but I wouldn't say I love them, I certainly do not intend to deliberately buy bad games just to help support some mythical industry.

I meant Theatre such as ww1, my bad.
If you think Rise of Flight is a bad game because of it's copy protection I've nothing more to apply... seriously it's like saying the Car drives and feels bad just because the door lock isn't automatic and i won't buy it therefor.

If, as it seems will be the case initially, the only place it can be bought is online, then the online community is they only one that matters (until, later, it makes it to the shops if it sells well enough online). The poll at the top of this page is making 50%-70% look like a very good guess.

Ye but i was talking about the boxed version which will be available in numerous countries , didn't you read the recent interview... It will be available in both digital and hard copy form.

"2. Other than a downloadable version of the game, will non-Russians be able to buy a boxed version of the game? Any chance at a "collector's edition" of the game?

Our main target is to reach every interested user and to make «Rise of Flight» available for everyone. That's why we are taking every possible option (Russian and foreign publishers) in order to deliver our product to our customers in a hard and digital copy. Collector's edition will not be available outside Russian market. After master-disk release we will publish on our blog the list of counties where the game in a box set will be available."

I have yet to knowingly buy one of those games, I often look and put them back on the shelf when I spot that requirement.

Good for you, i wouldn't miss out on such a great gaming experience just because of something like that which has nothing to do with how the game plays.

You're loss mate.

The owners won't give a hoot about that, they only care whether you pay them or not. I won't pirate it, but I won't buy it either.

Developers care more than ever about copy protection and piracy these days. It's evolved beyond control and they've every right to protect their product by any means they feel is necessary.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by virre89

Well obviously i meant the gameplay/engine etc, it's not a bad game because their choice of protection. I thought it was obvious enough but apparently not..

We do not play these games without outside influences, there are graphics cards, CPU speeds and numbers, neither of which are part of the game engine. If the choice of protection prevents some potential buyers from playing it, that's the developer or publisher's choice, and a loss for both of them.

No its logical, and how am i wrong about it ? Please explain.

Simply, a reason is true, and an excuse is false. There can be no such thing as a logical excuse.

To me its rather clear that you'll be upset if you don't have a broadband connection. And of course i personally feel sorry for the people that can't play the game, but speaking for myself i'd never go as far as don't play the game just to help others state the fact that they didn't like the copy protection choice. (I still want the game even if it has starforce i don't care.. never bothered me)

I'd be a little upset, but not enough that I'd pay twice what is currently paid.

Whining? o_O

Your post talked about people whining. I was responding to that.

Totally understandable that some people don't like to pay online. But i suppose the risk of getting ripped on money is just as rare as with putting your card into the cash dispenser these days with all the technical equipment. As long as you pay to companies like valve/steam you're totally on the safe side, it's all about common sense.

I'm not so sure.

If you think Rise of Flight is a bad game because of it's copy protection I've nothing more to apply... seriously it's like saying the Car drives and feels bad just because the door lock isn't automatic and i won't buy it therefor.

There was a time, in the 1970s I think, when there were said to be four different keys to all the Ford cars in Britain, presumably some people didn't buy them because they didn't want their car stolen.

Ye but i was talking about the boxed version which will be available in numerous countries , didn't you read the recent interview... It will be available in both digital and hard copy form.

"2. Other than a downloadable version of the game, will non-Russians be able to buy a boxed version of the game? Any chance at a "collector's edition" of the game?

Our main target is to reach every interested user and to make «Rise of Flight» available for everyone. That's why we are taking every possible option (Russian and foreign publishers) in order to deliver our product to our customers in a hard and digital copy. Collector's edition will not be available outside Russian market. After master-disk release we will publish on our blog the list of counties where the game in a box set will be available."

I did read that, I probably forgot it, but a list of countries where the box will be available could be short or long, and if it's immediately available online that would presumably be first, though perhaps not by so much as I thought.

Good for you, i wouldn't miss out on such a great gaming experience just because of something like that which has nothing to do with how the game plays.

You're loss mate.

Requiring a network connection to log in every time you start it is part of how the game plays.

Developers care more than ever about copy protection and piracy these days. It's evolved beyond control and they've every right to protect their product by any means they feel is necessary.

It's their right to do that, it's my right if I don't like it for whatever reason strikes my fancy, not to buy it. I would not suggest that anyone had any right to pirate it, but so long as you don't do that, you've every right not to buy it if you don't want to.

[Bloblast]

I voted I don't mind.

If this is a good way to prevent piracy, it's all right with me.
Piracy is a serious threat of having quality combat flight simulations as IL2, Storm of war and Rise of flight in the future!

[Feuerfalke]

Yes, it is a biased vote as there are 2 negative votes and one neutral, but no positive vote.

@_ITAF_UgoRipley

STEAM is sort of gamebrowser, like Hyperlobby in many ways. It contains buddy- and chat-functions as well as the ability to join online-games your friends are playing. Additionally it also contains voice-chat, autoupdate and even mod-support and access to exclusive demos.
On the downside, it sends data to STEAM, like what games you play and how much, so you get special offers fitting your interests.

As you can see, there are many parallels to Hyperobby, even more to other gamebrowsers like AllSeeingEye, X-Fire, Gamespy, etc. It's just that STEAM is the largest and also offers a platform to sell games.

Is it bad in general? Well, you have to make up your own mind, but as STEAM also offers own ways to provide hack- and cheat-protection, I guess in our internet-world, it is the future of how games will be distributed (especially smaller games, independend games, etc.)