Il-2 MODs

[LEXX]

And now we find that opposition was always wrong, as I always predicted. The reason CFS failed was lack of support from the developer. Oleg didn't abandon his sim the way Microsoft abandoned their sim, although he severely crippled it himself by catering to the arcade dogfight server segment at the expense of his offline financial base and to some extent the online war segment also. That is a mistake he looks like he may have learned from.

WTE::

In reality, most anti-modders (such as myself) have voted with their feet and simply given up playing online and do not nother to ever comment - very few are actually vocal about it in forums.

That's a good sign of the community maturing. The old anonomous public server bullies who dominated the forums slowly fade away from the playground by giving up the sim, by enjoying a no-mod sim the same as mod simmers enjoy a modded sim, or by going mod themselves.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by LEXX

And now we find that opposition was always wrong, as I always predicted. The reason CFS failed was lack of support from the developer. Oleg didn't abandon his sim the way Microsoft abandoned their sim, although he severely crippled it himself by catering to the arcade dogfight server segment at the expense of his offline financial base and to some extent the online war segment also. That is a mistake he looks like he may have learned from.

WTE::
That's a good sign of the community maturing. The old anonomous public server bullies who dominated the forums slowly fade away from the playground by giving up the sim, by enjoying a no-mod sim the same as mod simmers enjoy a modded sim, or by going mod themselves.

I kinda disagree there Lexx.. I do believe that mods or the uncontrolled use of them was a direct factor in the demise of CFS... It got to the point where you just couldn't tell what was a cheat and what wasn't.. CFS3 was another big factor... the fact that it was such a pig.. I seriously believe that the difference is the community in this case is a huge factor in why we don't see what we saw in CFS.. That is one reason why it irks me so when I hear all this nonsense... We are not like most other flight sim communities because this sim is not like other sims. Most of us came here for a reason. We could have stayed in CFS but we didn't.. the integrity of the sim is one reason why, so to think that just because we now have mods the first thing every one will want to do is start modding FMs is insulting, and just plain wrong. For most of us the integrity of the sim is still a factor and the fact that so many mods are functional enhancements is a testament to that. If any one who has issues with these mods would go to the AAA site they would see what was going on... even if they still chose to not use them.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Actually I challenge anyone to go to their site and show me a single mod that is considred a cheat or an FM change for that matter.

Copperhead is talking pure nonsense and clearly demonstrates he knows very little about the mod groups.

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Actually I challenge anyone to go to their site and show me a single mod that is considred a cheat or an FM change for that matter.

Copperhead is talking pure nonsense and clearly demonstrates he knows very little about the mod groups.

No....i've been over there and i've seen what is going on. on the surface.
and to be honest there's things being done that arent 1/2 bad. Like the expanded QMB. I could even possibly get the sims regimentals fixed. IF i were to get behimd it. That will never happen though unless the sim is opend by Oleg.
But in the end...no matter what they do over there, good or bad, right or wrong.....at the end of the day it's still illeagal, it's still stabbing Oleg in the back, and it's still, no matter how hard they claim that they try, allowing the code to be accessed by those who would manipulate it for thier own petty reasons. And they are not the gaurd dogs of the sims code. AAA is not the only place that has it...or is useing it. So this fantasy that Jolly, FlyZo, Worf...and the others there have that they can some how keep the sims integrety secure and mod it at the same time is simply a figment of their own deluded imaginations. and that's just how it is.
but....it's starting to set in that the cats out of the bag, as Bearcat says. Once Pandora's box has been opened....it's not gonna get closed. far too mnay mod junkies roaming the streets now to lock em all up. Now that does not mean i'm gonna be caught with a glass mod pipe in my pocket going "hey maaaan please let me just get one hit."

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

kiss my ass. i'm not going any where bub so get used to it.

[proton45]

wo...this old bird is still gett'in tossed around. The issue is pretty dead. You got three choices here, 1)play with your friends, 2)shut-up and take your chances on-line, or 3) go offline.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

kiss my ass. i'm not going any where bub so get used to it.

so that was just another BS from you ..... good thing is that one can get used to any stench if present long enough so i'll live just fine with you around .

not holding to your own words = spineless
posting FM of stock plane publicly = shameful
trying to dig your way out of it = idiotic ... ups, sorry i meant :pathetic

Z

[GAE_Charrua]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

No....i've been over there and i've seen what is going on. on the surface.
and to be honest there's things being done that arent 1/2 bad. Like the expanded QMB. I could even possibly get the sims regimentals fixed. IF i were to get behimd it. That will never happen though unless the sim is opend by Oleg.
But in the end...no matter what they do over there, good or bad, right or wrong.....at the end of the day it's still illeagal, it's still stabbing Oleg in the back, and it's still, no matter how hard they claim that they try, allowing the code to be accessed by those who would manipulate it for thier own petty reasons. And they are not the gaurd dogs of the sims code. AAA is not the only place that has it...or is useing it. So this fantasy that Jolly, FlyZo, Worf...and the others there have that they can some how keep the sims integrety secure and mod it at the same time is simply a figment of their own deluded imaginations. and that's just how it is.
but....it's starting to set in that the cats out of the bag, as Bearcat says. Once Pandora's box has been opened....it's not gonna get closed. far too mnay mod junkies roaming the streets now to lock em all up. Now that does not mean i'm gonna be caught with a glass mod pipe in my pocket going "hey maaaan please let me just get one hit."

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

I'm not going to debate you on what is right at wrong here but I will debate you until the cows come home on several of the inaccuracies you've been posting. Things like the AAA mods allow people to play the game without actually purchasing the game. Utter nonsense and you know it.

Regardless if you think it's right or wrong the fact is there is a movement to continue to enhance the game. So far from what I've some very responsible and very good stuff being done by some of these guys. New Channel Maps Slot maps some new planes etc are proving to be great additions to the game.

I will let the corporate types figure out if it's right or wrong.

Meanwhile I suggest you look into some things and be less closed minded because there is some good stuff helping this dying genre.

Oh and before you lump me in with the bad guys not paying for my copies of the games I can assure you I've purchased IL2 and all the addons over 8 times. Oleg and crew have made some money off of me not to mention I promote it to anyone that is vaguely interested.