Been a while....

[FC99]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

As for me, I don't care about mods vs cheating, but after reading few posts here, just want to say: ALL mods for the IL-2, so far, are LAME.

Just my 5 kopeek (russian equivalent to cents)...

Lame? Are you sure? It's not that everything in Il2 is perfect Few quick examples:
GAME

RL




What do you think about this? Lame? Is game going to be lamer if these errors are corrected?

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

I am just a man, who doesn't wear the pink glasses.

Wearing sunglasses all the time is not too smart either.

BTW Happy New Year to You ,Oleg and the rest of the team, good luck with SOW.

FC

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by FC99

Lame? Are you sure? It's not that everything in Il2 is perfect Few quick examples:
GAME

What do you think about this? Lame? Is game going to be lamer if these errors are corrected?

Where did I say, IL-2 by itself is perfect? It's full of small, sometimes almost unnoticeable, yet really lame errors. And there are a few even large and quite noticeable lame errors too.

And some mods do contain interesting ideas, or steps into the right direction. Yet, none of them is complete in the technical way, or even worse - fixes few errors and ads a lots of new ones. While most of them, like most map retexturing, or frankedick planes aren't even worth mentioning. That is why all mods, so far, are lame - that's how I see it. And I don't see a reason of not saying about it.

May be, we are still to see something really nice, like, say, Fokker D.XXI model, or the Checkh planes, which, BTW, were made with help from MG by people, who were trained by MG or affiliates. We'll see.

Originally Posted by FC99

Wearing sunglasses all the time is not too smart either.

So, take your glasses off, what's the problem?

Originally Posted by FC99

BTW Happy New Year to You ,Oleg and the rest of the team, good luck with SOW.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

SaQSoN, as someone contracted by Oleg you should really refrain from slandering Olegs customer, it's unprofessional.

You'll make me a great favor, if you point me to where did I do that. Thanks.

[LEXX]

I use some Frankenplane methods in StrikeFighters, but generally for myself only. SF and FB/PF are *very* lite sims in air warfare simulation, so I'm not worried about techie 3D model details that these games' air warfare programming and features fail to match.


SaQSoN::

And some mods do contain interesting ideas, or steps into the right direction.

That's the idea, and how it works on the street. They don't have official support, so hold back the gamer insults and share your knowledge.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by LEXX

so hold back the gamer insults and share your knowledge.

I do not insult gamers, unless, or more, then they try to insult me. If you think otherwise, point me where I did it, please.

As for sharing my knowledge about the game mechanics and such - I am not able to do so for an obvious reason.

And regarding the official mods support. Though, it was said many times before, I'll repeat it once again:

It is NOT possible to make IL-2 modding open, while preserving online game integrity and avoiding Oleg's intellectual property violation by mods distribution, without seriously rebuilding the game engine structure.
The later IS possible, but costs labor. Labor costs money. In the case of IL-2, it would pure waste of them in a business (or any other, including common) sense.

So, why some of you still think, Oleg should do this?

[LEXX]

That makes good sense Saqs. Too late now to open the sim. I'd rather see Oleg open the sim years ago instead of the hack.

As for sharing my knowledge about the game mechanics and such - I am not able to do so for an obvious reason.

Understood. Then the modders can only do the best they can without official help.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by LEXX

I'd rather see Oleg open the sim years ago instead of the hack.

The task of rebuilding the game engine in the way, I described above, is virtually equal to creating a new game engine from scratch.
Looking at things realistically, doing this was not an option for Oleg's team from the very beginning (original IL-2 release).

They did their best to support user's creativity by adding 3rd party models into the game for free themselves. But now, it's over, as every thing in this world ends, sooner, or later.

Originally Posted by LEXX

Understood. Then the modders can only do the best they can without official help.

While doing so, they should understand and remember, that when distributing their "mods", they, in the most cases, redistribute a part of original game without permission of it's original author. Which, by all international and most national laws is a violation of Oleg's intellectual property, no matter what the modders may think, or say about it.

Obviously, it is doubtful, that anyone would be prosecuted for this, but in my opinion, distribution of mods (in the said above regard) means showing disrespect to Oleg, his team and their work. So, I don't see any reason, why Oleg, or anyone from his team should show respect to the modders. Particularly, when their work is way far from quality standards, we choose for ourselves.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

The task of rebuilding the game engine in the way, I described above, is virtually equal to creating a new game engine from scratch.
Looking at things realistically, doing this was not an option for Oleg's team from the very beginning (original IL-2 release).

They did their best to support user's creativity by adding 3rd party models into the game for free themselves. But now, it's over, as every thing in this world ends, sooner, or later.



While doing so, they should understand and remember, that when distributing their "mods", they, in the most cases, redistribute a part of original game without permission of it's original author. Which, by all international and most national laws is a violation of Oleg's intellectual property, no matter what the modders may think, or say about it.

Obviously, it is doubtful, that anyone would be prosecuted for this, but in my opinion, distribution of mods (in the said above regard) means showing disrespect to Oleg, his team and their work. So, I don't see any reason, why Oleg, or anyone from his team should show respect to the modders. Particularly, when their work is way far from quality standards, we choose for ourselves.

This for me is the biggest reason why I dislike the whole mod issue. It is stealing, and is a show of total disrespect for Oleg and his crew. It's like he has to watch people with dull scalpel's, doing surgery on his child

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by LEXX

I use some Frankenplane methods in StrikeFighters, but generally for myself only. SF and FB/PF are *very* lite sims in air warfare simulation, so I'm not worried about techie 3D model details that these games' air warfare programming and features fail to match.


SaQSoN::
That's the idea, and how it works on the street. They don't have official support, so hold back the gamer insults and share your knowledge.

lol yeah. on the street. on the street you can aslo buy crack cocaine..but hey...to each there own.

not for me thanks.