So, Nehalem is OK?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by 99th_Flyby

hi Skosh,
I don't think it would be irresponsible for Oleg to give a bit more guidance on system requirements at all. What's wrong with saying a Conroe series CPU would be more than sufficent? Or a Penryn? Or a Nehalem? I'm waiting a bit longer before building a system, but I had not planned to wait until next May when requirements are supposed to come out. So how to plan for an upgrade path when there is no target? Even Rise of Flight has posted system requirements. Surely Oleg has an idea. I know he won't recommend a Cray, but...
Flyby out

Well a couple of reasons,

Firstly, "Traditionally" development of of Hardware has followed the much misquoted "Moores Law", in which every 18 months or so the number of transistors in an integrated circuit doubled every 18 months while their price dropped by about half. So fair this has roughly coresponded to the performance of the processors and memory etc.

Secondly Intel has been following their tick-tock cycle, We've only just had the 'Tock' wich was the introduction of the i7 Architecture in the 45nm silicon process, In the next year or so we'll have the next 'Tick' which will be implementing the new architecture on 32nm silicon. (And I bet AMD will be trying their hardest to out do intel!)

So far, from what I've been able to see programs aren't pushing the new i7 chips to their limits because the code hasn't been optimised to run on the new architecture. That'll takes time for the developers to come to terms with. Who knows what sort of performance will be reached? I certainly don't

It basically comes down to that in a years time The CPU's and memory avaliable will be more powerful and cheaper, have more cores etc.

Oleg has already said that they are making a sim that will be around for a long time, hopefully as long as IL2. I'm sure I read somewhere that they are adding features that won't possibly run on current PC, and closer to release they be deciding which ones they will need to turn off to get the sim to run at acceptable frame rates and game play.

Now if Oleg at this stage said the game will run on 'X' and a person runs out and buys 'X' now and when time comes to play the game and the person doesn't think that 25Fps is 'acceptable' They'ld be blaming Oleg for screwing the pooch with his machine specs and we'ld never hear the last of it.

Also that PC that cost lets say 2000 Rubles today would only be workth 1300 Rubles in a years time. Then there'd be a 30 page thread says Oleg robbed them.

This far away from release I wouldn't be releasing machine spec's.

Cheers!

(Sorry for my disjointed argument, my wifes run away to the shops and left me with winging children!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure they can't be mine!!!!!!)

[alert]

Hey Skoshi I got your point, but still Oleg should at least tell us for ex "Yea it will be optimized for multicored CPU" or "sorry lads, maybe in the future you'll be fine with twocore at 4 Ghz...something like that.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by alert

Hey Skoshi I got your point, but still Oleg should at least tell us for ex "Yea it will be optimized for multicored CPU" or "sorry lads, maybe in the future you'll be fine with twocore at 4 Ghz...something like that.

Hey, I'm hanging out for this sim, just about as much as anyone. After upgrading 3 or so months ago, I'm hoping that it will run OK on my new PC.

I would like to know if the problems with SLI will be sorted out in SOW (one possible upgrade for me ) and if PhysX will be supported, How much memory? Will I get by with my current CPU & motherboard (Over clocked of course!) )?

But until the Sim is actually released and we get to see it in action how will we actually know for certain?

[Flyby]

Originally Posted by alert

Hey Skoshi I got your point, but still Oleg should at least tell us for ex "Yea it will be optimized for multicored CPU" or "sorry lads, maybe in the future you'll be fine with twocore at 4 Ghz...something like that.

I guess that's all I'm asking too, Shosh. At the very least can it be revealed that the code is being written to take advantage of 4 cores (or not)? I "feel" the code takes advantage of dual cores now.
Hope the kids don't wear you out!
Flyby out
btw, how a sim runs with either Crossfire or SLi implementation is not a function of the sim, but rather of the GPU's technology. There have been some interesting articles around talking about a new technology that allows multiple GPUs to scale nearly 100%. It's called Hydra and it's been tested, but is still in development. Neither ATi nor Nvidia seem inclined to fix their multiple-GPU tech. It's really sad too because people spend their hard-earned bucks to buy two GPUs because of the implied promise that two work twice as fast as one (universally) and that's just not true. Which is also why some sims run better in SLi (or Crossfire) than others. IMO, Hydra may represent what ATi and Nvidia should have been about all along:true multi-GPU scaling no matter what the sim.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by 99th_Flyby

I guess that's all I'm asking too, Shosh. At the very least can it be revealed that the code is being written to take advantage of 4 cores (or not)? I "feel" the code takes advantage of dual cores now.
Hope the kids don't wear you out!
Flyby out
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btw, how a sim runs with either Crossfire or SLi implementation is not a function of the sim, but rather of the GPU's technology.

Too true! It's easy to forget! I guess we've been spoilt in the past, where Oleg&Co have "Fixed" up some issues with graphics chipsets and IL2.

There is some amazing technology being released and I guess it's a bit frustrating when it doesn't realise its promised potential or is so new that there are no applications that use it fully.

Cheers and all the best!

[Flyby]

the best back atcha!
Flyby out

[SPUDLEY1977]

For those with interest:
Gigabyte EP35-DS4, bios ver F3
E8400 (2x 3.0G) , 2 Gig HyperX DDR2 Ram 1333,
BFG 8800 GT OC 512 Meg, 625/900/1560 default
(this default GT OC is already approx 5 %)
VSYNC on at 60 (Max)

Using Gigabyte Easy Tune Pro 5.0
to perform the overclocks, and confirmed with GPU-Z.

Il-2 2.04
Video Mode: ALL HIGHEST OPTIONS
Video Option: 1280 x 960 x 32

A couple FPS change is really meaningless as I did not run each 10 times and take an average. With multiple runs of same settings one might see two FPS change between the runs.

RESULTS FOR BLACK DEATH ( min:sec FPS )
1. ALL STOCK CPU and Vid Card
1:07 56 1:45 49

2. CPU @ 3.3 G:
1:07 54 1:45 49

3. CPU @ 3.3 + VID CARD 630 / 930
1:07 54 1:45 49

4. CPU @4.0 G + VID CARD 640 /950
1:07 52 1:45 49

CONCLUSION:
OC CPU 17% combined with total 7% OC of Vid Card (over non OC version) seems to have no benefit. I used GPU-Z to confirm the OC values. Undoubtedly there will be significant increases in heat buildup + reduced max theoretical life expectancy of the chip + increased energy consumption. Interestingly from the above metrics my FPS appears to drop when OC'ing.<< I certainly was not expecting that, was expecting either no change or a few frames of trending upward.

Note that I have another sys (old specs) which was AMD (one core) 2.2 G + 6800 Ultra. Stepping up to my current PC specs was significant in terms of visuals / smoothness / etc. THe MINIMUM FPS in IL-2 were significantly improved (perhaps 2x if my memory serves).

After reading the data on many of the new tech CPUs/VIDCARDS/MEMORY it is not of use nor value for me to spend any more money to improve my gaming. I am perfectly satisfied with my current rig gaming capacity. My min FPS are sufficiently close to 60 (LCD MAX CAPACITY).

All the I7 MOBOS have had significant problems as shipped to consumers. This new platform will need at least a year to mature to the point of being a viable / reliable / stable option. The technology on paper of the I7 shows a significant potential step up but in my opinion it is not ready for market nor my $$$ (this is pretty typical).

My testing for your benefit, no cost to you.
I also play LOCKON and BF2. Note that LOCKON is also a huge resource hog as is IL-2. I have OC'd before and recall similiar non benefits for LOCKON as were presented above for IL-2.

Now I will take the CPU and VID CARD back to their native settings. If I can just get my buddy SimDee to recover from his latest flight experiences with me on his 6 perhaps I will continue to home my pitiful flight skills.

Peace

[Flyby]

then there's SoW_BoB which may be coded to work with multi-cored cpus. But perhaps your GPU was becoming a bottleneck during your overclocking, or maybe the ram? I don't know, but it looks like the cpu was waiting more and more when it was overclocking. Too bad I'm not an expert on such things. So it's just my take on your test data. Or maybe it is the PCI-e 1.0 P35 chipset with limited PCI-e bandwidth compared to say a P45 which supports PCI-e 2.0 with greater bandwidth pass-through? Maybe I'm an optimist?
At any rate, are those the average FPS for the BD track? Pretty damn solild if they are, if you ask me. Well done!
Flyby out