P-47s

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by IceFire

The P-47N I always thought was interesting... different shape to the wings, greater range, HVAR rockets, used in the late stages of the Pacific war.

The P-47M is interesting too although we pretty much already have it in the non-descript P-47D, 1944 which is meant to simulate a field mod/hot rodded P-47D-27. Pretty much bang on in performance.

Could you modify the 3D model of the non-descript P-47D by adding a dorsal fin fillet and add dive recover flaps and call it the P-47M??

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

Could you modify the 3D model of the non-descript P-47D by adding a dorsal fin fillet and add dive recover flaps and call it the P-47M??

I don't have the talent. Someone could.

[Fighterace]

Any new P-47s would be a great addition to this game

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

Any new P-47s would be a great addition to this game

Just fixing the existing P-47 razorback bar would be a good start



Look! No "refraction" required !!!

I was going to post the rest but unless I can find hard evidence that the Lw flew them in combat it ain't gonna get done ....

Sad really. Let the ban commence

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

Just fixing the existing P-47 razorback bar would be a good start



Look! No "refraction" required !!!

I was going to post the rest but unless I can find hard evidence that the Lw flew them in combat it ain't gonna get done ....

Sad really. Let the ban commence

You mean how the gunsight is mounted too low? It'd be nice to fix that one.

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by IceFire

You mean how the gunsight is mounted too low? It'd be nice to fix that one.

Ah yes, the old chestnut of the gun sight too low …. I take it you are still part of the TD disinformation collective then

Please allow me to present the facts of the Fw 190 bar and the P-47 razorback bar.

For many years the representation within IL-2 of the gun sight views associated with both of these contemporary aircraft has been viewed as flawed given that both had the bottom part of the view obscured.

For reasons that are best left alone for the purposes of this discussion, the excellent Luftwaffe fighter has had many vociferous champions of the need to remove this visual obstruction. I believe it is fair to say that these arguments can be summarised as the need to remove “the bar”.

There were a few that advocated a similar argument in favour of the same consideration being given to the less fashionable American aircraft.

Despite the passionately presented arguments, over many years, the developers of IL-2 decided to maintain their original representation of the gun sight views of both aircraft.

However, once the IL-2 files were modified by Team Diablos, the Fw 190 bar was immediately removed. The sole justification for this, and in the face of all other contrary evidence, was given as the dispersion of light waves at the perimeter of different densities of glass.

However, despite the far clearer evidence for the need to apply the same correction to the P-47, we have yet to see this even discussed or acknowledged. Every now and again there will be a vague promise of the Jug cockpit being “reworked”, “looked at” or just PM abuse, threats and forum bullying.

As I have said both here and in other online discussions, much of what TD is doing to mod IL-2 is excellent however there are many people that are concerned with the lack of consistency and transparency about changes being made that significantly alter the historical integrity of the game.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

Ah yes, the old chestnut of the gun sight too low …. I take it you are still part of the TD disinformation collective then

I don't believe in conspiracy theories that involve more than 2 people.

Please allow me to present the facts of the Fw 190 bar and the P-47 razorback bar.



For many years the representation within IL-2 of the gun sight views associated with both of these contemporary aircraft has been viewed as flawed given that both had the bottom part of the view obscured.

For reasons that are best left alone for the purposes of this discussion, the excellent Luftwaffe fighter has had many vociferous champions of the need to remove this visual obstruction. I believe it is fair to say that these arguments can be summarised as the need to remove “the bar”.

There were a few that advocated a similar argument in favour of the same consideration being given to the less fashionable American aircraft.

Despite the passionately presented arguments, over many years, the developers of IL-2 decided to maintain their original representation of the gun sight views of both aircraft.

However, once the IL-2 files were modified by Team Diablos, the Fw 190 bar was immediately removed. The sole justification for this, and in the face of all other contrary evidence, was given as the dispersion of light waves at the perimeter of different densities of glass.

However, despite the far clearer evidence for the need to apply the same correction to the P-47, we have yet to see this even discussed or acknowledged. Every now and again there will be a vague promise of the Jug cockpit being “reworked”, “looked at” or just PM abuse, threats and forum bullying.

As I have said both here and in other online discussions, much of what TD is doing to mod IL-2 is excellent however there are many people that are concerned with the lack of consistency and transparency about changes being made that significantly alter the historical integrity of the game.

You're right in that if one aircraft suffers from a particular malady from the simulation environment is fixed then it sure would be nice to have other types that suffer similarly to have some time spent on them.

I honestly don't know if anyone has looked at the P-47 cockpit but given the number of American aircraft enthusiasts it is surprising that the bar discussion never reached the level that the FW190s did. The FW190 one was hundreds of pages spread over several threads on the old Ready Room forum. I think the P-47s gunsight issue came up maybe once or twice over the years. Has it even come up here? Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

The P-47 cockpit suffers from more than just a poorly placed gunsight. It needs a redo... the texture work is atrocious (and unfinished according to the original authors) and the geometry could stand to be cleaned up a fair bit too. I do wonder if anyone was doing some work on the P-47 that they decided to do a more substantial effort and that it would take a lot longer. If this is such an issue for you... why not get involved?