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10-03-2013, 08:23 PM
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I don't know much about Bombsights, but wouldn't they at least include some kind of water level to allow for the bombardier to set it facing downwards -no matter what AoA the plane has?
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10-04-2013, 12:24 PM
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Well... I've performed two tests: one with a Pe-8 and other with a He-111, flying in the Moscow 1 (winter) map.
Both tests confirm all what I was telling until now: the TAS, when used as settings for the BS, are different than those indicated by the actual charts, and they regards on the OAT and the altitude. The attached file contains tracks of both tests. Quote:
It doesn't add up if you compare the tests' outcomes with the actual charts. But these tests show the internal consistency of the in-game's atmosphere model. BTW, I've found the actual charts are not completely useless after all.  Yesterday, checking speeds at different altitudes higher and lower than the range from 4000 to 5000 m, calculating them with the wizz wheel and comparing my results with the charts, I realized that those charts were made for an OAT = 25 ºC @ MSL. Thus, they may be used only with the following maps: Iasi (on line) Crimea Kiev Balaton Hawaii Midway Kuyshu Net 8 Islands The bad news is that there are other 56 maps in the game, covering a range from -20 upt to +30 ºC. If the new charts were made for starting OATs from -20 up to +30 in steps of 5ºC each, it would mean 11 charts to cover all the maps (plus other maps included in some mods). But then it would be necessary to considere all the Altitud/IAS/TAS combinations: - Altitude in m and IAS/TAS in km/h (Germans, Russians, Italians) - Altitude in ft and IAS/TAS in mph and kts (Allies) - Altitude in m and IAS/TAS in kts (Japanese) This gives us... 33 different charts!!  Do you really think the players would feel comfortable managing so many papers? IMHO, perhaps it would be better and easier to learn how to use the E6-B, or an app like pilotwizz.  Back to my last tests: the bombs fell faily close to the target. At this point I'm considering that perhaps the altitude (used as input for the BS) should be corrected by OAT, instead of using directly the indicated altitude, to get a better accuracy. Which leads us back to the question with wich I started this treath: What should we use: the indicated altitude, or the corrected ('true') altitude? It's very easy to check the TAS: we have some aircrafts with IAS/TAS guages. But we haven't other than the barometric altimeter... so, if TD doesn't fire a starshell for us, more testing will be needed.  ..................... Edit: The page doesn't let me to upload the zip file containing the tracks. Perhaps tomorrow... 
Last edited by Soldier_Fortune; 10-04-2013 at 07:38 PM.
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#3
10-04-2013, 12:59 PM
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 The OKPB-1 Bombsight (Russian) has a bubble in its centre, wich indicates whether the aircraft is flying flat and leveled or not. The other bombisghts don't have a similar device. The real Norden BS had an autopilot wich, when it was engaged, kept the bomber on the right path. In-game, that autopilot is not modeled. Instead, the Level Stabilizer helps the player with respect to that. But the LS shouldn't be considered a 'solution' to level a bomber from any situation, but just a help. This means the player must be sure that the bomber is flying flat and leveled at the right speed, altitude and heading, before engaging the LS to lock the airctraft on the desired configuration. To achieve this, the player must know the behavior of his bomber at any altitude and must to know how to trim it properly. 
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#4
10-05-2013, 12:06 PM
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I've already stated the charts are not totally inaccurate,
but using Bombsite data even with a wizz wheel or Pilotwizz the bombs still drop longer/shorter than they should, even when you taken have in to account ground elevation of the target, I still have to use a "feeling" of where the bombs "might" hit instead of accurate an bombing solution with the correct input data. Tested ac: Pe2 IL4 The payloads on these aircraft all drop long as pointed out in an earlier thread >> http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=40740 He111 Payload drops short of aiming point, where as they used to run in from the start point of the bombsite. The SC50 track is interesting as it hits before the aiming point and then long as you would expect from 32xsc50's But as I have already said also, these bombsite shouldn't be too accurate, but some explanation the payload drops inconsistency would help matters, be it the air density changes or other factor. . Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 10-05-2013 at 01:07 PM.
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#5
10-06-2013, 08:31 AM
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Hi...!
Finally I could upload my last tests: one with a Pe-8 and other with a HE-111. Today I may not see your tests because I haven't IL2 installed in this computer (perhaps tonight or tomorrow). BTW: what maps have you used? It is importan to know it.
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#6
10-07-2013, 01:52 PM
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#7
10-07-2013, 03:21 PM
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The OAT at MSL is 25 ºC for Crimea. Thus, the old chart remains useful in that map.
But, when it is used with winter maps, it just gets mislead the reader. I've made a chart for OAT = -20 ºC, and I'm attaching it to this post. Please: When you can, play a bomb mission using the Gulf of Finland Winter map, and observe how much 'feeling' you need to apply whether using the old chart and the latter.
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#8
10-07-2013, 08:38 PM
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Have you checked the bombsites accuracy with different payloads ?
Even on the Crimea map its wrong especially the Russian bombsite. Its very inconsistent compared to how it was before, with the bomb blast radius reduction and other bomb related adjustments, its become very laborious and painful to make a bomb run not knowing where the bombs are going to hit and see such little damage made by them if you just a few feet away from a target. 
Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 10-07-2013 at 08:41 PM.
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#9
10-09-2013, 02:48 PM
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